Anyone watching the big game tonight?

[zappatton2]

I am getting a kick out of reading about Vance and his wife and the whole Greenland debacle. But the really bizarre bit is that they seem confused by the hostility of Greenlanders. Like, they seem to actually believe that everyone just wants to be absorbed and become part of the States, and are indignant and shocked that anyone (correction; everyone) would feel different.

How bizarre it must be to live in a world that runs parallel but separate from reality.

 

[Randy]

Blowing up cars to make a political point is terrorism, and it's fair to call it that.

Is that the argument you're countering? I didn't catch that to be the point Drew or StevenC were making explicitly. I thought it was all about the *I can see* how people who are mad at Musk/Trump would take their frustrations out on Tesla Corp or the vehicles individually or their owners. I didn't catch them saying torching dealerships in coordination is not terrorism.

Which, it is but still kinda broad brush. Terrorism as we generally know it would typically have a religious or racial bias attached to it, aka hate crimes or trying to use fear/terror tactics against people for things that aren't in their control (ie: the color of their skin, the God that they believe in). Terror against people for driving cars that enrich an asshole is like, alright but also *really* easy for you to not catch that smoke.

 

[StevenC]

Is that the argument you're countering? I didn't catch that to be the point Drew or StevenC were making explicitly. I thought it was all about the *I can see* how people who are mad at Musk/Trump would take their frustrations out on Tesla Corp or the vehicles individually or their owners. I didn't catch them saying torching dealerships in coordination is not terrorism.

Which, it is but still kinda broad brush. Terrorism as we generally know it would typically have a religious or racial bias attached to it, aka hate crimes or trying to use fear/terror tactics against people for things that aren't in their control (ie: the color of their skin, the God that they believe in). Terror against people for driving cars that enrich an asshole is like, alright but also *really* easy for you to not catch that smoke.

I'd argue that terrorism doesn't need a religious or racial bias, just a political motive. But I think that what terrorism is is less important than the fact that this is significantly lower on the terror scale than anything Elon is doing, or Tesla buyers are implicitly endorsing.

 

[MetalDestroyer]

I'd argue that terrorism doesn't need a religious or racial bias, just a political motive. But I think that what terrorism is is less important than the fact that this is significantly lower on the terror scale than anything Elon is doing, or Tesla buyers are implicitly endorsing.

I think we're walking a really fine line here between whataboutism and targeted enforcement. Like yes, the tesla vandalisms are probably justifiably categorized. But is there a political motive behind that characterization or a justice-based motive? For me what tips the scales against the terrorism thing is the clear bias and desire for retribution from the regime. If this were happening in a different environment I might think differently

A lot of people want to zoom all the way in on something that becomes out-of-context when you do so

 

[Randy]

I'd argue that terrorism doesn't need a religious or racial bias, just a political motive. But I think that what terrorism is is less important than the fact that this is significantly lower on the terror scale than anything Elon is doing, or Tesla buyers are implicitly endorsing.

You're right, you're right. Hard for me to put exactly the point on it that I'd like but generally speaking, terrorism has the risk (and often the goal) of ensnaring innocent people to make a point and I'd argue the risk to "innocent people" burning up a Tesla dealership is a lot less than, you know, firebombing an abortion clinic or something. Risk for the workers or firefighters yeah, but its (so far) focused on non-human targets.

 

[HeHasTheJazzHands]

I am getting a kick out of reading about Vance and his wife and the whole Greenland debacle. But the really bizarre bit is that they seem confused by the hostility of Greenlanders. Like, they seem to actually believe that everyone just wants to be absorbed and become part of the States, and are indignant and shocked that anyone (correction; everyone) would feel different.

How bizarre it must be to live in a world that runs parallel but separate from reality.

I think even they realized this, they went from "Greenland wants this!" To "the world NEEDS this!!"

 

[HeHasTheJazzHands]

'I am almost done...': Elon Musk reveals date he'll 'ditch Trump' and quit Washington DC after DOGE purge

Is Elon Musk planning to step down for the post of Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE) chief? The Department of Government Efficiency was created earlier this year to reduce the federal workforce and weed out what President Donald Trump and Musk see as a waste of taxpayer funds. Musk has...

economictimes.indiatimes.com

Did Elon manage to look passed his ego and realize he's a dead weight on Trump's shoulders? Trying to get out of the public eye to save Tesla stock?

Also lmao 1 trillion cut from the deficit

 

[StevenC]

You're right, you're right. Hard for me to put exactly the point on it that I'd like but generally speaking, terrorism has the risk (and often the goal) of ensnaring innocent people to make a point and I'd argue the risk to "innocent people" burning up a Tesla dealership is a lot less than, you know, firebombing an abortion clinic or something. Risk for the workers or firefighters yeah, but its (so far) focused on non-human targets.

Yeah exactly. There's a question of where is the terror and who is experiencing it. For example, 9/11 instilled terror in all Americans that any part or symbol of American society and hegemony could be successfully targeted.

Vandalising a specific car brand for specific reasons is not in anyway comparable.

It's not whataboutism to say that those calling it terrorism on the largest stages are those who'd rather you discuss that then them disappearing their political enemies. And if they can call vandalising a car terrorism they can disappear anyone.

 

[ElysianGuitars]

Yeah exactly. There's a question of where is the terror and who is experiencing it. For example, 9/11 instilled terror in all Americans that any part or symbol of American society and hegemony could be successfully targeted.

Vandalising a specific car brand for specific reasons is not in anyway comparable.

It's not whataboutism to say that those calling it terrorism on the largest stages are those who'd rather you discuss that then them disappearing their political enemies. And if they can call vandalising a car terrorism they can disappear anyone.

The US government is literally a terrorist organization, the Tesla crap pales in comparison.


In other news, we're screwed.

The American Dream is officially over

All because the rich must always steal from the poor.

www.aljazeera.com

 

[narad]

if they can call vandalising a car terrorism they can disappear anyone.

I cant write a longer reply from the gym but what a drama queen

 

[ElysianGuitars]

I cant write a longer reply from the gym but what a drama queen

That's not drama though, they're literally using "terrorism" to attempt to disappear college students who support Palestine. They have broad powers to fight whatever they deem "terrorism," which seems to just be anything they disagree with.

 

[MetalDestroyer]

I cant write a longer reply from the gym but what a drama queen

uh Marco Rubio just bragged that he has revoked legal status of over 300 students that have criticized the government. They just disappeared another doctoral student. This is really not drama queen territory

EDIT: source https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...detained-ice-governments-college-c-rcna198320

 

[Ralyks]

Please tell me isn't real

 

[Crungy]

Please tell me isn't real
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What the fuck.

 

[Moongrum]

Please tell me isn't real
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it's real:
Not to defend it, but your screenshot is missing context. they didn't just randomly tweet a cartoon of a brown person being arrested/deported
They arrested a person who they say is a fentanyl dealer, and that's a caricature of them, it's in the same tweet.
having to scroll through that, I learned that the WhiteHouse twitter tweets a lot of memes actually.

 

[MetalDestroyer]

it's real:
Not to defend it, but your screenshot is missing context. they didn't just randomly tweet a cartoon of a brown person being arrested/deported
They arrested a person who they say is a fentanyl dealer, and that's a caricature of them, it's in the same tweet.
having to scroll through that, I learned that the WhiteHouse twitter tweets a lot of memes actually.

It's still pretty atrocious. It makes it clear that the point is not to defend America from the fentanyl epidemic, it's to make brown people cry.

 

[ElysianGuitars]

it's real:
Not to defend it, but your screenshot is missing context. they didn't just randomly tweet a cartoon of a brown person being arrested/deported
They arrested a person who they say is a fentanyl dealer, and that's a caricature of them, it's in the same tweet.
having to scroll through that, I learned that the WhiteHouse twitter tweets a lot of memes actually.

The context doesn't help

 

[Randy]

An extension of the same thing they did with the Noem photo op where she's posing infront of extrajudicial detainees like it's a cage at the zoo.

They absolutely are hell bent on stripping these people of their humanity and a reminder, this is just Act 1. If you think this stops at "gang members" or "migrants" or brown people, or just deportation or detention, you're woefully naive.

 

[Moongrum]

If you think this stops at "gang members" or "migrants" or brown people, or just deportation or detention, you're woefully naive.

I don't think anyone itt thinks that. It's been said numerous times here, this admin is all about getting back at and/or hurting those who oppose them/different than them. nothing they're doing seems to come from any form of altruism.

 

[Drew]

Stefanik withdrawing her UN Ambassador nomination because the Republican majority is so thin and the race for her replacement (my district) was starting to get too tight.

To some extent, the first official sign they're worried their support is eroding. I think I said it in this thread but if not, I believe pretty strongly they'll lose the House BEFORE the midterms.

I don't know if I'd go as far as "more likely than not"... but it's a very real possibility, and as it stands actually legislating will be hell. I think for technical reasons (the Senate bill was passed under "current policy" grounds, meaning whatever today's tax code is, and not "current law" which includes the fact the TCJA sunsets at the end of the year, making its extension costless; the parliamentarian is unlikely to allow this) there's a pretty good chance (again, maybe not more likely than not, but close to) that the budget implodes because they don't have the votes and Trump has already burned too much political capital.