Lorcan Ward
7slinger
It's had a very messy development. So many staff members have left the project and it's going through so many versions. BioWare need a really strong come back.
Wintersun's Groundhog's Day Thread
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It's had a very messy development. So many staff members have left the project and it's going through so many versions. BioWare need a really strong come back.
I want another Dragon Age Origins so badly. Although i liked Inquisition, it felt like playing an offline MMO. Strangely empty and shallow feeling world in regards to properly written quests, and full of dull filler and fetch quests.
The leaked footage from a couple months back looked like they were trying to be God Of War this time. I wish Bioware would just get back to making RPGs instead of chasing game styles they're not so good at.
KentBrockman
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To be fair, it was 100% believable no matter what day of the year...
p0ke
7-string guitard
I guess so, it was originally supposed to be released in 2006 according to wikipedia. So I guess my earlier statement was wrong, Time is more delayed than the power plant
They started building it in 2005 and it was originally supposed to start producing electricity in 2009 (now it is supposedly finished and after a bit more testing production should start in a few months), so it kinda sounds like Jari might have been leading the project all along...
Lorcan Ward
7slinger
The world needs a Dragon Age game. It's nearly 9 years since the last one and like you said they are going to copy a God of War style hack N slash or Dark Souls/Elden Ring. The MMO style games were a big miss step. I enjoyed latest DA and ME but they were packed full of content in one way but also really empty and unmemorable. They thought Anthem was going to be a huge success and started changing their games to model it. DA 4 would have been a disaster if they had gone the full MMO route.
I guess so, it was originally supposed to be released in 2006 according to wikipedia. So I guess my earlier statement was wrong, Time is more delayed than the power plant
In a realistic album cycle it would have been out 06/07. I'd have to check the old website posts but I recall the earlier ones saying the album was finished and ready to mix around then.
Neon_Knight_
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This is such a misleading summary of events that you must be either Jari, a friend/relative of Jari, or a Wintersun fan in complete denial. Which is it? (This is a completely genuine and reasonable question, considering how rose-tinted and defensive your post is).
The reality, based purely on what Jari has openly stated, not speculation:
- Jari used up all of the studio time provided by the record label he had signed a contract with for Time II. He stated in 2014 that he has stopped working on Time II.
- Later in 2014, Jari started posting about crowdfunding for Time II (not for non-Time II releases). Here's the proof.
- In 2017, he began crowdfunding to build his own studio - repeatedly stating on social media that he was still working on Time II, alongside other new material (inc. The Four Seasons). Although those contributing to the crowdfund copy of 'The Four Seasons' was included, he stated that this studio was "absolutely essential in order to finish TIME II". Here's the proof.
- After repeatedly hinting at Time II being almost complete (I believe he has said "90% complete" a few times, only to then state the same completion % after detailing further progress made), he recently stated that he hasn't worked on Time II since 2014. This is a complete contradiction of numerous comments / statements he has made about Time II progress during the years between 2014-2023 (i.e. he has lied to his fans). Here's the proof:
^This was posted by Jari on the Wintersun Facebook page in February 2023. Each time someone directly called him out for contradicting himself (i.e. lying), he stopped replying to that comment and moved on to defending himself against other critical comments instead.
What I will speculate on (with very high confidence) is that Jari has chosen not to release Time II because it would be less financially lucrative than releasing any other material. His former record label would take a huge cut of any revenue generated by Time II, while the revenue from anything released by his crowdfunded studio would be all his to keep. Although a bit amoral to dupe the record label like that (he has a contract after all), I can kind of accept this approach. What I can't accept or tolerate is him actively misleading his own fans, repeatedly and over a period of many years, to dupe them out of their hard-earned money for his own financial benefit.
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eddyrox
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been noting that Temmu is doing a lot of teaching and playing out with his coverband over the last 2 years....
not that he has anything to do with Jari's writing process....
not that he has anything to do with Jari's writing process....
Even in the event that his contract specifically covers the release of Time II and not just "another album," I don't see the advantage in not releasing works that not only is (or maybe it's now "was"?) he outspokenly proud of, but that the fans i.e. the ones that actually enable him to be a full time musician,
At the moment he is releasing nothing, so surely 30% of something is better than 100% of nothing, and if it's 90% done as he suggests then I don't see how it's not an easy win over starting with other projects from square one, especially given it could earn him back some credibility and respect.
I can't help but feel a little bad for Teemu, specifically. He's been with the band since he was a teenager IIRC and has progressed so far playing wise (surpassing Jari himself I'd dare to state) that playing covers and teaching seems like such a shame after the heights Wintersun could have gone on to experience.been noting that Temmu is doing a lot of teaching and playing out with his coverband over the last 2 years....
Neon_Knight_
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His contract included X amount of studio time for an album, which happened to be Time. Jari decided to split it into two albums after he had already used studio time funded by the label to work on both Time I & Time II - i.e. the label funded that specific material, so has financial rights to revenue from the release of that specific material (but not subsequent material he produces without any input from them). Every hour he invests into Time II is less profitable to him than an hour invested into "another album".
Some days he says "just this one tiny thing is left to finish off", then other days he says he hasn't worked on it since 2014. Simply not constantly contradicting himself (lying to fans) would help his credibility.
This review of the "single" (more like segment of a song awaiting vocals) that took Jari six years to release is pretty on the money. It's nothing that hasn't been done before in past decades with far less processing power and it's really not something that any other band would release as a "single" that they expect fans to pay for.
Metropolis
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been noting that Temmu is doing a lot of teaching and playing out with his coverband over the last 2 years....
Smackbound is not a cover band, I think you mistake it to Run For Cover where they had same lineup.
NoodleFace
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I thought some of these lines were comedy gold. Now I'm convinced he's trolling
GunpointMetal
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HE’S THE FIRST GUY TO TUNE SO LOW *soyjak face*
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Apparently jari invented baritone 6 strings.
Neon_Knight_
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I'm sure that, somewhere in this thread, someone joked about the guitar Jari needs to finish Time II not having been invented yet (in response to a ridiculous post by Jari about needing more processing power again).
As amusing as this post is, it pisses me off that Jari doesn't seem to understand that he has just confessed to spending his fan's money (from crowdfunding) on "specialised custom guitars", to achieve tunings in reality that other people have previously achieved with production baritone guitars.
It's also frustrating that he seems to think it's a positive that 'Warning' is unrelated to any of the multiple albums he supposedly has in the works. Yet another delay to the fans getting something they actually want and paid for (via crowdfunding).
NoodleFace
Delicious Noodles
Yeah I caught onto the undertones of that too, he just blew a bunch of money on custom guitars. Not a bad lifeI'm sure that, somewhere in this thread, someone joked about the guitar Jari needs to finish Time II not having been invented yet (in response to a ridiculous post by Jari about needing more processing power again).
As amusing as this post is, it pisses me off that Jari doesn't seem to understand that he has just confessed to spending his fan's money (from crowdfunding) on "specialised custom guitars", to achieve tunings in reality that other people have previously achieved with production baritone guitars.
It's also frustrating that he seems to think it's a positive that 'Warning' is unrelated to any of the multiple albums he supposedly has in the works. Yet another delay to the fans getting something they actually want and paid for (via crowdfunding).
nightflameauto
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Cannibal Corpse literally has videos on Youtube of them in the studio taking production floyds, redrilling them and/or the guitars to give them more adjustment for intonation so they can tune lower just to get the job done. Jari needs specialized guitars for tunings every Tom, Dick, and Sally use every day on everything from Gibson scale to 30" baritones? WTF?
This guy would be comedy gold if not for taking money from fans.
This guy would be comedy gold if not for taking money from fans.
p0ke
7-string guitard
No market for low tunings? Is he being serious
Oh well, at least he's saying he now has the capability to do something instead of coming up with more excuses... I still don't expect him/them to release anything anytime soon.
Oh well, at least he's saying he now has the capability to do something instead of coming up with more excuses... I still don't expect him/them to release anything anytime soon.
MFB
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The only "warning" that should apply to Wintersun is to not give them any of your money
