Wintersun's Groundhog's Day Thread

[Randy]

Apropos of nothing, I actually really liked The Forest Seasons.

Anyway, I get how diva musicians get stuck in their own head and the project gets bigger and bigger etc but tbh Wintersun is pretty good but not exactly splitting the atom. There are other bands farting out hour+ of comparably complex/layered music without much issue. 18 years for three like 45 minute long albums is absurd.

If he got out of his own way, he could drop Time II or some other thing to buy more time (lawl) in a few weeks worth of work, and everyone will forget and throw money at him again.

 

[fantom]

Food for thought: why were they able to record, mix and release The Forest Seasons but not Time II?

Because Nuclear Blast probably owns the copyright for Time II, and he got into a douchebag argument with them over wasting their money.

 

[Pietjepieter]

Hum I never listen to WIntersum before, but since this treat keeps popping up I checked them out...

In the words of the great Frank Zappa: "It's a little bit cheesy but nicely displayed"

Not my cup of tea but I hope for everyone that likes them that the will put out new music somewhere!

 

[jruivo26]

Because Nuclear Blast probably owns the copyright for Time II, and he got into a douchebag argument with them over wasting their money.

I kinda feel that's the situation: Time II is finished but is being held captive by the label because Jari is full of shit since 2006

 

[Metropolis]

Maybe he's just waiting on this guy Dylan to finish his guitars first, then he'll get busy writing again.

I've never been into "reality" tv, but I have come to realize I am addicted to threads about chronic procrastinators and the love/hate they leave in their wake.

Jari stopped working with Dylan on couple of guitars, because he couldn't finish them. He made a post about it on their patreon forum.

 

[jruivo26]

Jari stopped working with Dylan on couple of guitars, because he couldn't finish them. He made a post about it on their patreon forum.

That's exactly what he needs to finish the albums: MOAR EXPENSIVE GUITARS!!1!!

Besides the Jems, the PGM, the Daemoness, the Ibanez RGD, the Jackson, the Tokai Telecaster, the 2 or 3 Solars he has....... I feel the real issue here is he can't release more music because he doesn't have enough guitars.

Oh and maybe because he spends all the money he gets on useless redundant bullshit.

 

[KentBrockman]

Thanks to this thread, I have been encouraged to listen to Wintersun. I listened to the song Time and thoroughly enjoyed it!

 

[mehegama]

Because Nuclear Blast probably owns the copyright for Time II, and he got into a douchebag argument with them over wasting their money.

I think this is a very good explanation that to be honest never thought about. At this point is pretty evident that:
1. Jari is full of shit about everything
2. The money is gone. If anyone has seen a single inch of land or one brick for the studio let me know.
3. There will not be new music until Jari is totally skint and Pateron money is gone.

 

[jruivo26]

Thanks to this thread, I have been encouraged to listen to Wintersun. I listened to the song Time and thoroughly enjoyed it!

I think that might be their best song. Still, the self titled has unparalleled magic and GUESS WHAT, it was recorded and mixed like a normal album and it f*cking smashes everything else

 

[Metropolis]

That's exactly what he needs to finish the albums: MOAR EXPENSIVE GUITARS!!1!!

Besides the Jems, the PGM, the Daemoness, the Ibanez RGD, the Jackson, the Tokai Telecaster, the 2 or 3 Solars he has....... I feel the real issue here is he can't release more music because he doesn't have enough guitars.

Oh and maybe because he spends all the money he gets on useless redundant bullshit.

What I've heard, Jari has been quite creative with the ten or so guitars he's got... and supposedly those aren't only tools to make music when you have tons of plugins and a midi keyboard.

Money isn't gone, if you know the company name Jari is running, and look at the outcome information which is public knowledge in some degree. You simply cannot wash the money and just spend it by yourself into something useless.

The studio situation is at the "semi studio" level right now, where some of the money have been invested into better gear, such as studio monitors and a new computer. Monitor pair Jari is using costs something like 8-10 grand, and more powerful iMacs aren't cheap either.

 

[Lorcan Ward]

I was listening to a podcast with Jason Richardson. He said he uses two slave computers so he can run projects with 100 sample library tracks and guys like Tom Holkenburg have templates that load up hundreds of tracks ready for their ideas. Maybe 10 years ago it wasn't possible but there's no excuse nowadays if someone like Jason is doing the same thing as Jari in his home.

But then again not being able to load the tracks was only one of the problems with released Time 2

 

[Winspear]

Yup it's really not that hard. Computer farms have been a thing for sample library use for about 20 years now, and never did they have to be expensive computers. These days SSDs are fast enough to stream entire orchestra libraries live so you don't even need the RAM anymore, nor is 64-128GB RAM particularly expensive in the grand scheme either

 

[nickgray]

Monitor pair Jari is using costs something like 8-10 grand, and more powerful iMacs aren't cheap either.

The studio version of a PRS Private Stock.

 

[Antiproduct]

Well in this regard I can understand Jari actually.
If MacOs is his known environment it only makes sense to stay in it. But, if he is in the market right now he sure isn't buying an iMac as these have 16GB of ram max. A maxed out mac studio (128gb ram, best processor, 8tb of extremely fast ssd) + 2 monitor screens are somewhat around 11k €. It seems expensive (and it 100% is more expensive than a windows machine) but it is actually not that much for a professional environment that generates most of the money primarily with that machine.
New monitors are kind of silly tho as he is buying them for his semi-studio. Room acoustics are much more important than the monitors themself and I doubt that he will spend a couple grand on an optimized room that he will, supposedly, abandon in a few years. The most expensive monitors will sound like entry gear in an unoptimized room. Also learning to work with new monitors is a pain in the ass and takes forever.

He got a lot of money and the tech to support his demands are here now. Time for him to actually start deliver ANYTHING because the list of complains to not put out music is getting smaller and smaller

 

[Seabeast2000]

This album better have a November Rain song on it.

 

[nightflameauto]

Man, I have no dog in this fight and have barely listened to Wintersun, and this may be my favorite SSO thread.

Same.

I have more fun reading this thread than I do spouting my nonsense in any other thread.

 

[jruivo26]

Yup it's really not that hard. Computer farms have been a thing for sample library use for about 20 years now, and never did they have to be expensive computers. These days SSDs are fast enough to stream entire orchestra libraries live so you don't even need the RAM anymore, nor is 64-128GB RAM particularly expensive in the grand scheme either

Not to mention DSP hardware like the Universal Audio stuff that can take a huge load (heh) off the processing in the box.

 

[TedEH]

Time II is finished but is being held captive

I'm not sure that would make much sense - if the end goal that everyone wants is to release the product so that everyone can profit and move on, then what does holding it captive accomplish?

 

[mastapimp]

This album better have a November Rain song on it.

Do you need some time on your own?
Do you need some time all alone?
Ooh, everybody needs some time on their own
Ooh, don't you know you need some time all alone

 

[mmr007]

Never mind....I've already soured on this thread. I feel like I'm getting jerked off and I'm not even waiting for the damn music. All I hear is fantastical excuses that plague not a single other band or musician on the planet right now from this guy