US Political Discussion: Biden/Harris Edition (Rules in OP)

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Here's something that I think lays at the base level to describe what the differences are in progressive vs. regressive policies and thoughts.

Some people understand that when you raise anyone's status, be it their healthcare, their income, their education, anything, no matter what level of society they happen to sit at, you are raising EVERYONE by just a tiny little bit.

The people that don't understand that seem to think that pushing someone down, no matter what rung of society they reside at, somehow elevates everyone else, including themselves. They don't have the connections in their brain that show them that society falls as individuals fall. They only see, "HA HA! YOU LOSE!" And somehow, that's all the justification they need. They don't realize they could just as well change that to, "HA HA! WE ALL LOSE!" It may not feel like it in the moment, but each take-away, from anyone, lowers the overall prospects for all of us.

It takes the whole of a society to make that society thrive. And no, a few bazillionaires at the top with oodles of lower class does not designate a thriving society. So anybody planning on twisting my words into, "HURR DURR DON'T TAX THE RICH!" is welcome to fuck off.
 

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The people that don't understand that seem to think that pushing someone down, no matter what rung of society they reside at, somehow elevates everyone else, including themselves. They don't have the connections in their brain that show them that society falls as individuals fall.
They basically see it as a zero sum game. In their worldview, no one can possibly be elevated unless it's to the detriment of someone else, and they're so resolved to not be that someone else that they'll preemptively go out of their way to keep others down. They believe that there can be no winners without losers, and when other people in an ethnic/socioeconomic/political group that they view as being the other starts (air quotes) "winning", it must mean that they're losing, and that cannot stand.
 

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who is “they”?

Excellent example of someone pretending not to understand that they are inflicting their religious fantasy on others.

One doesn’t have to admit they may be in the wrong if they just pretend they don’t understand.

It redirects the conversation away from the topic.
 

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Elaborate?
Banning abortions under religious subtext (because, let's face it, that's where this is really coming from) tells women that God values them as no more than birthing machines, and that the Church considers a bundle of cells without consciousness to be more worthy of care and protection than the fully realized woman carrying it, even if the baby is non-viable or even straight-up dead. That's just fucking monstrous. Any so-called Christian who thinks that Jesus's response to a woman getting an abortion (something which, as has repeatedly been pointed out, the Bible contains explicit instructions on how to perform) would be "Yeah, throw the bitch in prison, or better yet, execute her" has clearly never met the man. There is no Christ in a purported Christian Church that chooses to treat people like this.

As for those championing the Church's involvement in the legislative process, just as those who practice Christianity have no business forcing adherence to their beliefs on others, the Church has absolutely no business in government.
 

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Wondering why Christians think the embryos have souls and are full people but won’t bury them in consecrated ground or baptize them? Seems to me like their church doesn’t treat them the same way they would a born person and are damning that eternal soul.
 

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Banning abortions under religious subtext (because, let's face it, that's where this is really coming from) tells women that God values them as no more than birthing machines, and that the Church considers a bundle of cells without consciousness to be more worthy of care and protection than the fully realized woman carrying it, even if the baby is non-viable or even straight-up dead. That's just fucking monstrous. Any so-called Christian who thinks that Jesus's response to a woman getting an abortion (something which, as has repeatedly been pointed out, the Bible contains explicit instructions on how to perform) would be "Yeah, throw the bitch in prison, or better yet, execute her" has clearly never met the man. There is no Christ in a purported Christian Church that chooses to treat people like this.

As for those championing the Church's involvement in the legislative process, just as those who practice Christianity have no business forcing adherence to their beliefs on others, the Church has absolutely no business in government.
Well said.
 

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Wondering why Christians think the embryos have souls and are full people but won’t bury them in consecrated ground or baptize them? Seems to me like their church doesn’t treat them the same way they would a born person and are damning that eternal soul.
They have to keep pushing so those stupid guilt trip billboards can keep littering our highways and controlling people.
 

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Banning abortions under religious subtext (because, let's face it, that's where this is really coming from) tells women that God values them as no more than birthing machines, and that the Church considers a bundle of cells without consciousness to be more worthy of care and protection than the fully realized woman carrying it, even if the baby is non-viable or even straight-up dead. That's just fucking monstrous. Any so-called Christian who thinks that Jesus's response to a woman getting an abortion (something which, as has repeatedly been pointed out, the Bible contains explicit instructions on how to perform) would be "Yeah, throw the bitch in prison, or better yet, execute her" has clearly never met the man. There is no Christ in a purported Christian Church that chooses to treat people like this.

As for those championing the Church's involvement in the legislative process, just as those who practice Christianity have no business forcing adherence to their beliefs on others, the Church has absolutely no business in government.
Not elaborate at all really.
 

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All Chuck Norris memes need to be replaced with Liz Cheney. I don't care that I probably disagree with 90% of her political views. She is bad ass
 

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Banning abortions under religious subtext (because, let's face it, that's where this is really coming from) tells women that God values them as no more than birthing machines, and that the Church considers a bundle of cells without consciousness to be more worthy of care and protection than the fully realized woman carrying it, even if the baby is non-viable or even straight-up dead. That's just fucking monstrous. Any so-called Christian who thinks that Jesus's response to a woman getting an abortion (something which, as has repeatedly been pointed out, the Bible contains explicit instructions on how to perform) would be "Yeah, throw the bitch in prison, or better yet, execute her" has clearly never met the man. There is no Christ in a purported Christian Church that chooses to treat people like this.

As for those championing the Church's involvement in the legislative process, just as those who practice Christianity have no business forcing adherence to their beliefs on others, the Church has absolutely no business in government.
no I was wondering why the OP on that reply thread simply gave his testimony type of message, the next guy says he was a Christian as well and was disgusted at him... just threw me a little off there. Its been a few years since ive been active on this forum, kinda getting used to the flow of things again lol, maybe i just didnt read far back enough to catch the other side
 

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Chuck, probably.

Shit.
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Holy sh.....

Anyone heard or read about the Cassidy Hutchinson testimony about Jan 6?

I'm not sure if this is accurate, but the Independent is reporting that she testified the Trump wrestled with a secret service agent trying to take the wheel of the presidential limo to go to the Capitol, and that several congresspeople were involved in a plot to get themselves pardons for being a part of the plot to attack the Capitol (Gaetz, MTG, and a bunch of others).

If that's really her testimony, brace yourselves for hearing all about how horrible of a person she is from Trump's supporters.
 


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