narad
Progressive metal and politics
Step 1: Choose angry idiots as your base.
US Political Discussion: Biden/Harris Edition (Rules in OP)
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Step 1: Choose angry idiots as your base.
Drew
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Beyond that, remember this is the DA who, when he took over the case, two of his prosecutors quit, to much ballyhooing from the rightr wing media echo chamber, because they didn't think this guy was moving forward with what they considered a valid case, and the right concluded therefore there WAS no valid case. Two years later, he's moving forward to prosecute, possibly as early as today.
From a purely Bayesian standpoint, conditioned on the knowledge that this DA wanted to NOT jump the gun and wasn't going to bring a case forward he didn't believe was airtight, if he's bringing a case forward now you have to up the probability at least a bit that what we finally see will be a pretty strong case.
Drew
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I mean, the timing doesn't matter so much, but it's been clear Trump was going to get charged in the NY grand jury investigation since at least the moment they gave him a last minute opportunity to testify. Trump's tweet (do you call it that, on Truth Social?) was just a recognition of that, and evidently his belief that a strong, confident perp walk (which he's unlikely to get the chance to try, given the political sensitivity and his secret service contingent needing to be part of the process) might be good for him politically, to show he's not afraid.
It'll be interesting, though, if he's in custody in NY, and Georgia moves forward and charges him with solicitation to commit election fraud there, how they balance the two cases.
Drew
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NY grand jury set to re-convene on Monday, so no charges at least until then related to the NY case.
Some say they're still looking for the angry idiots that were responsible for these riots (some of them were at the DC as well)
Oh wait, it wasn't January 6th and it was antifa...back to your regularly scheduled programming.
narad
Progressive metal and politics
Oh wait, it wasn't January 6th? No shit. I can tell because the photos are outside the building.
Republicans sure do waste a lot of time virtue signaling and making stuff up to get mad at.
Drew
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There's also the little bit about the rioting philkilla is talking about was in response to police killing a man in custody for a minor offense, vs January 6th being about a guy claiming he didn't lose an election he really did lose, but sure... let's focus on a couple examples where things got violent in a left-wing protest, and equate that to a right-wing protest that became an attempted coup, and that DID result in the US Capital falling and being taken by protestors.
zappatton2
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Yeah, people always bring up the BLM protests and "Antifa", as if there is a large, organized movement of left-wing extremists acting in an equally violent manner to the right, but again, we had BLM protests up here, without incident, I attended the one in Ottawa and everybody was respectful, stores were not looted or damaged, it was simply people coming together in a statement of social justice.
The right-wing occupation in Ottawa was another story; we as citizens were no longer safe downtown, residents were threatened, emergency vehicles prevented from attending to people, a homeless shelter being overrun with demands for free food, people tortured in their own homes with excessive sound tactics (big rigs blowing horns all night), "Canadians" waving Trump flags and a couple of Nazi flags to boot, all heeled on the demands that a duly elected government be dissolved and replaced with a "citizens panel" of self-appointed dictators bestowing "freedom".
Even when people complain about the cities burning in response to the outrage of George Floyd's murder, and the systematic culling of unarmed black citizens at the hands of unaccountable police, they fail to account for how it all played out. Peaceful citizens stood their ground, and were basically pre-emptively attacked by police aggressors, everything was thrown into disarray needlessly, and opportunists found their opening to tear the whole place down.
The only notable difference between the Canadian and US experience with the BLM protests was (a) the police response, and (b) the omnipresence of armed counter-protestors looking for a fight. The US experience could have been just as peaceful, if civil rights wasn't viewed as such a threat by authorities and reactionaries.
The right-wing occupation in Ottawa was another story; we as citizens were no longer safe downtown, residents were threatened, emergency vehicles prevented from attending to people, a homeless shelter being overrun with demands for free food, people tortured in their own homes with excessive sound tactics (big rigs blowing horns all night), "Canadians" waving Trump flags and a couple of Nazi flags to boot, all heeled on the demands that a duly elected government be dissolved and replaced with a "citizens panel" of self-appointed dictators bestowing "freedom".
Even when people complain about the cities burning in response to the outrage of George Floyd's murder, and the systematic culling of unarmed black citizens at the hands of unaccountable police, they fail to account for how it all played out. Peaceful citizens stood their ground, and were basically pre-emptively attacked by police aggressors, everything was thrown into disarray needlessly, and opportunists found their opening to tear the whole place down.
The only notable difference between the Canadian and US experience with the BLM protests was (a) the police response, and (b) the omnipresence of armed counter-protestors looking for a fight. The US experience could have been just as peaceful, if civil rights wasn't viewed as such a threat by authorities and reactionaries.
zappatton2
SS.org Regular
And just to add a bit, I'm not saying that there are never protesters on the left who act in bad faith or take things to extremes, and I would condemn any who did. But I am saying that political violence and extremism are not endemic to modern progressive politics, where it is increasingly coming to define the modern political right.
I tend to think that any movement that disseminates ideas that aren't grounded in evidence or fact almost require an angry and aggressive rejection of reality to sustain; an aggression that very easily becomes volatile under the right conditions.
I tend to think that any movement that disseminates ideas that aren't grounded in evidence or fact almost require an angry and aggressive rejection of reality to sustain; an aggression that very easily becomes volatile under the right conditions.
There's also the little bit about the rioting philkilla is talking about was in response to police killing a man in custody for a minor offense, vs January 6th being about a guy claiming he didn't lose an election he really did lose, but sure... let's focus on a couple examples where things got violent in a left-wing protest, and equate that to a right-wing protest that became an attempted coup, and that DID result in the US Capital falling and being taken by protestors.
I too enjoy comparing apples to oranges.
Especially when those oranges turn out to be a wasted effort.
narad
Progressive metal and politics
So I'm guessing that the left is the apples in this analogy.
This guy gets it.
Drew
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Yeah, i mean, that was kind of my point.
Only one of these two groups tried to violently overthrow the government, you know? 
RevDrucifer
SS.org Regular
Like the orange president we had from 2016-2020?
Metalman X
The Resplendent Sub-Human
a butt-nugget rolled in cheeto dust does not an orange make
Drew
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While we're at it, we had peaceful alt-right counter-protests here in Boston, where thousands of protestors came out to protest something like 30 pro-white protestors, and if the left was the problem here, that should have been a bloodbath.
StevenC
Javier Strat 7 2024
Look who's been indicted
Xaios
Foolish Mortal
So that didnt quite go according to plan.
If I disappear, I probably got taken out by a stray Molotov.
