Rarity of RG2027xVV and RG1077XL/ RG2077XL

[buck fever]

Can anyone speak to the rarity of each of these models? Which one is more difficult to obtain and worth keeping as a collector’s model if given the choice?

I have two 2027x’s, but don’t love playing them. I don’t usually believe in items collecting dust, but don’t want to make a hasty sale.

I have a newer RG2027XL, and absolutely love it. I think I’d love a RG1077XL / 2077XL just as much and figure I might rather save my money and wait for one of those, but again, don’t want to make a hasty sale of what I already have.

Any advice?

 

[c7spheres]

I don't know of any official numbers and all the numbers are speculative but I'd be willing to bet the 2077xl 1077xl are more rare than the 2027xvv even though the 2027xvv has the Double LoPro. The 2127xvv is probably more rare than all of them. It's just the rg2027xvv but with a black oil type finish instead. I've heard the 2027xvv had around 500 made but I doubt even Ibanez knows actual numbers.

 

[odibrom]

@buck fever what is it that you don't like in your's 2027XVV? You spoke a few days ago about opening a thread on that one so to decide what to do with it... Is this the thread? I'm not very experienced with that many guitars so to compare with top tier ones like Aristides, Strandbergs, PRSs, and all that jazz, but I bought one of these brand new about 19 years ago and it has been my main guitar since. I've had moments of pure joy and others of almost oblivion. I've learned that what makes me enjoy or not a guitar is more related to how it is set up than to its original specs (since most of them can be changed). And these guitars (as most) do need a bit of work to get to the sweet buttery spot where our fingers just fly over the fingerboard with ease and speed. I've filed the nut's bottom, the trem stud's bottom also, so they could get a lower trem position (I prefer this to the use of neck shims), I've done the "Fall away" or "Fall out" fret treatment/leveling and the obvious pickup/electronics swapping, including piezo swapping and even a new preamp. When I got the chance, I bought a second one and am constantly looking for upgrades (latest was the Freeway 5B5-01 switch, a 10 way blade switch). At this time I can say mine are way better than most Prestige level Ibanez is putting out, either in sound, array of tones or in feel/play.

I'd also like to snag one of those XL ones, but it's not mandatory and I'd first get an S5527 or a 2000s UV...

 

[c7spheres]

I just wish Ibanez would do something again with nice 7 strings as production models. They have all these rare models that are really badass but never become production. I will probably bitch about Ibanez forever. They just don't get it. All I want from them is a damn blank ebony fretboard neck like from the rg7cst. Make a freaking RGA with that neck and a low pro. I don't care what else you do, I'll repaint it plug holes fix it up etc.

 

[diagrammatiks]

On a long enough timeline all used prestiges are eventually worth 400 dollars.

 

[diagrammatiks]

I’d probably keep the xvv.

The xl were just released and 27 inch is popular and lots of other people can do it.

the piezo has never been released and no one else does the double edge and very few people do a production Floyd piezo.

 

[Bigredjm15]

Personally, I've owned the RG1077 and it was an amazing guitar, but I would LOVE to get my hands on the 2027xvv, the piezo, trem, I love the vintage violin colorway, and it is rarer then the others. The RG1077 vs RG2077 is just a toss up, I don't think it specifically matters which one you get your hands on they will both be great guitars with proper setup.

 

[odibrom]

I’d probably keep the xvv.

The xl were just released and 27 inch is popular and lots of other people can do it.

the piezo has never been released and no one else does the double edge and very few people do a production Floyd piezo.

One can, however, replicate those guitars with the Edge Pro trem and a mahogany body RG7... which isn't the same, but very close...

 

[buck fever]

@buck fever what is it that you don't like in your's 2027XVV? You spoke a few days ago about opening a thread on that one so to decide what to do with it... Is this the thread? I'm not very experienced with that many guitars so to compare with top tier ones like Aristides, Strandbergs, PRSs, and all that jazz, but I bought one of these brand new about 19 years ago and it has been my main guitar since. I've had moments of pure joy and others of almost oblivion. I've learned that what makes me enjoy or not a guitar is more related to how it is set up than to its original specs (since most of them can be changed). And these guitars (as most) do need a bit of work to get to the sweet buttery spot where our fingers just fly over the fingerboard with ease and speed. I've filed the nut's bottom, the trem stud's bottom also, so they could get a lower trem position (I prefer this to the use of neck shims), I've done the "Fall away" or "Fall out" fret treatment/leveling and the obvious pickup/electronics swapping, including piezo swapping and even a new preamp. When I got the chance, I bought a second one and am constantly looking for upgrades (latest was the Freeway 5B5-01 switch, a 10 way blade switch). At this time I can say mine are way better than most Prestige level Ibanez is putting out, either in sound, array of tones or in feel/play.

I'd also like to snag one of those XL ones, but it's not mandatory and I'd first get an S5527 or a 2000s UV...

Sorry for the delay!

You know, I just never really have loved the neck on it, I just don’t get that excited to play it. The action is fine and all; I’ve owned 4 of these and just never have really hived with them. I’ve always tried to keep one as a collector’s item, and am having second thoughts about whether or not that’s really something I value.

I currently have two; one is in very good condition, one had a ton of mods and has some issue with the micro switch or piezo, but all else works. It’s actually restorable if someone has the ambition. I’ve been thinking about selling both as a package deal, one to keep for parts.

 

[c7spheres]

Sorry for the delay!

You know, I just never really have loved the neck on it, I just don’t get that excited to play it. The action is fine and all; I’ve owned 4 of these and just never have really hived with them. I’ve always tried to keep one as a collector’s item, and am having second thoughts about whether or not that’s really something I value.

I currently have two; one is in very good condition, one had a ton of mods and has some issue with the micro switch or piezo, but all else works. It’s actually restorable if someone has the ambition. I’ve been thinking about selling both as a package deal, one to keep for parts.

I may be interested in one or both of them incase you decide to sell. I very much love the necks on them! In fact. I would be willing to buy just a neck or both off you if wanted. I'm really after the necks, but would be willing to buy one or both. Please PM me with picts if interested.

 

[odibrom]

Sorry for the delay!

You know, I just never really have loved the neck on it, I just don’t get that excited to play it. The action is fine and all; I’ve owned 4 of these and just never have really hived with them. I’ve always tried to keep one as a collector’s item, and am having second thoughts about whether or not that’s really something I value.

I currently have two; one is in very good condition, one had a ton of mods and has some issue with the micro switch or piezo, but all else works. It’s actually restorable if someone has the ambition. I’ve been thinking about selling both as a package deal, one to keep for parts.

All cool, one likes what one likes. As far as I know, there is no need to keep one as spare parts for the other, except for the saddles, body and neck (not the piezo elements). Besides these, one can change/swap/restore/upgrade everything, piezo elements and preamp included. Oh, I'm not sure if the original pickups are available as replacement parts,but who cares about those, right?

In the possibility you're keeping them, restoration is totally possible with LR Baggs for the piezos and preamp. Pickups, pots, switches is as one likes best, but PLEASE DO NOT rout the pickups' cavities for a soapbar install...

If you decide to sell, @c7spheres looks like a fine candidate to take care of them, though I'm almost sure he'll set them apart to snag their necks and piezo systems into another body... booooo... one shouldn't do such things to these guitars... lol

 

[c7spheres]

All cool, one likes what one likes. As far as I know, there is no need to keep one as spare parts for the other, except for the saddles, body and neck (not the piezo elements). Besides these, one can change/swap/restore/upgrade everything, piezo elements and preamp included. Oh, I'm not sure if the original pickups are available as replacement parts,but who cares about those, right?

In the possibility you're keeping them, restoration is totally possible with LR Baggs for the piezos and preamp. Pickups, pots, switches is as one likes best, but PLEASE DO NOT rout the pickups' cavities for a soapbar install...

If you decide to sell, @c7spheres looks like a fine candidate to take care of them, though I'm almost sure he'll set them apart to snag their necks and piezo systems into another body... booooo... one shouldn't do such things to these guitars... lol

Stop encouraging him! : ) I need the neck(s) for my secret project(s). I'd probably put an rg7620 neck on it/them and re-sell it actually. If you play your cards right you may be able to get in on this. We're supposed to be working together here to make him want to sell them! Shh, don't let him know : )

 

[diagrammatiks]

All cool, one likes what one likes. As far as I know, there is no need to keep one as spare parts for the other, except for the saddles, body and neck (not the piezo elements). Besides these, one can change/swap/restore/upgrade everything, piezo elements and preamp included. Oh, I'm not sure if the original pickups are available as replacement parts,but who cares about those, right?

In the possibility you're keeping them, restoration is totally possible with LR Baggs for the piezos and preamp. Pickups, pots, switches is as one likes best, but PLEASE DO NOT rout the pickups' cavities for a soapbar install...

If you decide to sell, @c7spheres looks like a fine candidate to take care of them, though I'm almost sure he'll set them apart to snag their necks and piezo systems into another body... booooo... one shouldn't do such things to these guitars... lol

so building an fr body for one of my 1620x.....blasphemy?

 

[Merrekof]

The 1077 and 2077 show up from time to time on the used market. I bought one years ago.

It was my first 27" guitar and that made me realize I'm happier with 25,5". I sold it last year, because I needed the cash and this wasn't my favourite guitar. A great guitar, everything you would expect from a Prestige but no magic mojo because it is rare.

Often asking prices on the internet are greatly exaggearated. I've seen prices up to 2500€. In reality you can say these guitars usually sell for 900-1000€, in good condition.

As far as collectors value, that is up to the collector. Personally, I don't want a wall decoration, I'd rather have a guitar that plays great.

 

[odibrom]

Stop encouraging him! : ) I need the neck(s) for my secret project(s). I'd probably put an rg7620 neck on it/them and re-sell it actually. If you play your cards right you may be able to get in on this. We're supposed to be working together here to make him want to sell them! Shh, don't let him know : )

Oooops, sorry, sometimes I talk too much...

so building an fr body for one of my 1620x.....blasphemy?

YES!... I feel like these rare-ish guitars should be kept as original as possible, at least in looks and function. Nevertheless IF you DON'T sell the body and keep it for future re-assembling, I guess it's ok then...

... in the end, what does my opinion count in the overall scheme of things?... just a grain in the sand at the beach...

@Merrekof I feel more or less the same as you, I like my guitars to be guitars what they were meant to in the first place, which is to be played. Otherwise it's considered hoarding... and that's not cool these days... ooop, there I go again with my big mouth...

 

[buck fever]

I love this group. You guys are the best.

I really appreciate all of your perspectives. Y’all are keeping me grounded! I’ll let you guys know first when I let go of these two. I have a little more mental tennis to do, but I feel like it’s going to happen.

 

[Lukhas]

I love this group. You guys are the best.

I really appreciate all of your perspectives. Y’all are keeping me grounded! I’ll let you guys know first when I let go of these two. I have a little more mental tennis to do, but I feel like it’s going to happen.

As written earlier, since Ibanez has gotten a clue, there are new XL guitars being made. However I don't remember any other brand that makes a piezo shred guitar with a double-locking low profile tremolo, as neither the JP series nor the Majesty are double locking despite being low profile. Most piezo mods are for the standard Floyd Rose that sports a tall profile, other guitars with similar specs are like the RG1620X with an original Egde that also has a tall profile. Actually, it's already enough of a pain in the ass to obtain a guitar with a low-profile trem that is not an Ibanez.

That being said and if you really don't like them, do sell. That's from the viewpoint of someone who doesn't get keeping collector instruments all that much: it's a guitar, it was meant to be played at the end of the day. I simply don't see the emergency or appeal on getting specifically the RG1077XL or 2077XL when Ibanez sells brand new 2027XLs unless you really, really want a middle pickup.

 

[c7spheres]

I jsut missed out on a freakin mint condition rg2027xvv on Ebay. It sold for $1550 with mint UV1000c case and still had the plastic on the cavity plates. It was mint with jazz pickus in it. Damnit ! ! !

 

[odibrom]

aaahh, that's bad luck... in the land of Ferrari there is this one: https://www.mercatinomusicale.com/m...-seymour-duncan-mogano-7-corde_id6435111.html

 

[bostjan]

I've passed up on a the RG2027X a couple of times. Always the same thought process... "It has a PIEZO and it's a LO PRO!" Then I play it. Then I tell myself "meh." Then I forget about it for a few years.

Everyone else on ss.o is always like "yuck 27" scale length, DO NOT WANT." I don't get it. Every 27" scale guitar I've played felt more natural to me. I have average-size hands with average size fingers and short stubby arms. Why do I feel comfortable with something that makes everyone else wince in pain at the mere thought of it?



Anyway, I've never seen an RG1077XL in stores. I don't know if it is more rare or just was more rare around where I lived. Also rare =/= good. The LTD SC607B is almost certainly a better guitar, and if you aren't sure if you want a middle pickup or not, why not something that has a pickup that is not really a middle pickup and not really a neck pickup? LOL Might be a win. ...or maybe not.