Rarity of RG2027xVV and RG1077XL/ RG2077XL

[c7spheres]

I've passed up on a the RG2027X a couple of times. Always the same thought process... "It has a PIEZO and it's a LO PRO!" Then I play it. Then I tell myself "meh." Then I forget about it for a few years.

Everyone else on ss.o is always like "yuck 27" scale length, DO NOT WANT." I don't get it. Every 27" scale guitar I've played felt more natural to me. I have average-size hands with average size fingers and short stubby arms. Why do I feel comfortable with something that makes everyone else wince in pain at the mere thought of it?



Anyway, I've never seen an RG1077XL in stores. I don't know if it is more rare or just was more rare around where I lived. Also rare =/= good. The LTD SC607B is almost certainly a better guitar, and if you aren't sure if you want a middle pickup or not, why not something that has a pickup that is not really a middle pickup and not really a neck pickup? LOL Might be a win. ...or maybe not.

- So you're aware there is a couple different guitars we're talking about. It's bad model umbering by Ibanez. The rg2027x and 1077xl is a 27" scale with no piezo bridge. 2027xvv is the piezo version but is a 25.5 scale length.
- I have a theory Ibanez conspired to confuse people that the piezo 2027xvv ever exsited and to bury it into history by creating the 2027x. It's startginn to work because eerytime you type in 2027x now into google or something the 27" 2027x comes up inseatd of the piezo 25.5" one.

 

[odibrom]

^^ ... that kind of makes sense... I wonder why?...

 

[c7spheres]

^^ ... that kind of makes sense... I wonder why?...

Just guessing I'd say to just bury the piezo saddles all together. Now I'm curious if they did a similar model number history rewrite with the other 6 string versions like the 1620x etc.. It doesn't appear to be so, so maybe they did just mess up or something. They are all out of saddles for them though (at least that what they told me, then I found out they're trying to sel them for $100 each, or just the front half of the empty saddle for $30 and it's for the Edge Pro version, not the Lo pRo.). I think they just got sick of me. I spent years with them ordering parts and literally waiting for 8 months to a year to get some of the stuff in. It literally comes on the slow boat from China (like literally) They just are never going to make them again. I have a lttle Ibanez parts horde going on. It only took like 18 years to get it. : )

 

[odibrom]

Well, thankfully for us, the EdgePro is a direct replacement of the LoPro, and the EdgePro saddles have that "metal insert" that can be removed and replaced with one of these piezo elements. If in the future I'll brake a saddle (most unlikely, but who knows?), I know how to replace the entire unit for a suitable one and keep the aesthetics and functions of the guitars.

 

[buck fever]

I jsut missed out on a freakin mint condition rg2027xvv on Ebay. It sold for $1550 with mint UV1000c case and still had the plastic on the cavity plates. It was mint with jazz pickus in it. Damnit ! ! !

I bid on it with 20 seconds left much higher than the winning bid and have no idea why I didn’t win it. Just wasn’t meant to be. Also, I’m crazy, not sorry.

 

[buck fever]

As written earlier, since Ibanez has gotten a clue, there are new XL guitars being made. However I don't remember any other brand that makes a piezo shred guitar with a double-locking low profile tremolo, as neither the JP series nor the Majesty are double locking despite being low profile. Most piezo mods are for the standard Floyd Rose that sports a tall profile, other guitars with similar specs are like the RG1620X with an original Egde that also has a tall profile. Actually, it's already enough of a pain in the ass to obtain a guitar with a low-profile trem that is not an Ibanez.

That being said and if you really don't like them, do sell. That's from the viewpoint of someone who doesn't get keeping collector instruments all that much: it's a guitar, it was meant to be played at the end of the day. I simply don't see the emergency or appeal on getting specifically the RG1077XL or 2077XL when Ibanez sells brand new 2027XLs unless you really, really want a middle pickup.

I hear you. I actually own the RG2027XL, and it’s a downright perfect instrument. Absolutely stunning playability all around, and super sharp looking. I just like odd or rare items, and the 1077XL and 2077XL have always appealed to me; I’d love to do a Simon Sludge style mod to a 1077XL, but with the neck pickup intact.

 

[buck fever]

I've passed up on a the RG2027X a couple of times. Always the same thought process... "It has a PIEZO and it's a LO PRO!" Then I play it. Then I tell myself "meh." Then I forget about it for a few years.

Everyone else on ss.o is always like "yuck 27" scale length, DO NOT WANT." I don't get it. Every 27" scale guitar I've played felt more natural to me. I have average-size hands with average size fingers and short stubby arms. Why do I feel comfortable with something that makes everyone else wince in pain at the mere thought of it?



Anyway, I've never seen an RG1077XL in stores. I don't know if it is more rare or just was more rare around where I lived. Also rare =/= good. The LTD SC607B is almost certainly a better guitar, and if you aren't sure if you want a middle pickup or not, why not something that has a pickup that is not really a middle pickup and not really a neck pickup? LOL Might be a win. ...or maybe not.

I totally agree, although I have huge hands. 27” always feels way, way better to me. I recently picked up a multiscale with 27” on bass side and 25.5” on treble side, I actually just can’t get into it. The C9 chord is just too effing crowded and bends my hand funny.

I’ve been eyeing up the Ibanez M80M just to see how the 30” feels.

 

[c7spheres]

Well, thankfully for us, the EdgePro is a direct replacement of the LoPro, and the EdgePro saddles have that "metal insert" that can be removed and replaced with one of these piezo elements. If in the future I'll brake a saddle (most unlikely, but who knows?), I know how to replace the entire unit for a suitable one and keep the aesthetics and functions of the guitars.

YEs, the edge pro is a great idea. I remember Shotgunn mods doing it and he even came up with how to do it to an normal LoPro saddle too. IT's great to knwo it's possible for sure.

I bid on it with 20 seconds left much higher than the winning bid and have no idea why I didn’t win it. Just wasn’t meant to be. Also, I’m crazy, not sorry.

probaly a sniper bidder. They win almost everytime. I know how to snipe bid if interested. haven't done it in a long time though. It's a pretty interesting thing ow tose Ebay clocks work. It's not what it seems.

 

[c7spheres]

I totally agree, although I have huge hands. 27” always feels way, way better to me. I recently picked up a multiscale with 27” on bass side and 25.5” on treble side, I actually just can’t get into it. The C9 chord is just too effing crowded and bends my hand funny.

I’ve been eyeing up the Ibanez M80M just to see how the 30” feels.

I'm jealouse of your big hands. I have rouble on 27" scale with chords. If I could get comfortable on it I would be all over that 2027xl . Blank fretboard, stailess frets, LoPro. Heck yes. !

 

[Lukhas]

Well, thankfully for us, the EdgePro is a direct replacement of the LoPro, and the EdgePro saddles have that "metal insert" that can be removed and replaced with one of these piezo elements. If in the future I'll brake a saddle (most unlikely, but who knows?), I know how to replace the entire unit for a suitable one and keep the aesthetics and functions of the guitars.

That's interesting to me, because I was under the impression that finding Lo-Pro Edge parts would be easier than finding Edge Pro ones due to the Lo-Pro unit still being available on retail guitars. It seems that I was wrong, it opens me to actually considering Edge Pro units in the future... should I find them. Thanks for the info.
EDIT: Actually it makes no sense in hindsight considering you can buy brand new Edge Pro trems on Thomann but anyway...

I jsut missed out on a freakin mint condition rg2027xvv on Ebay. It sold for $1550 with mint UV1000c case and still had the plastic on the cavity plates. It was mint with jazz pickus in it. Damnit ! ! !

I mean, I've posted about a JPM dressed up 2020X for 1.3K€ in the GAS thread. I cannot justify buying it in my situation, but it's going to haunt me for a long ass while. Hell, just looking at it is killing me, so have a picture to make sure I'm not alone!

 

[c7spheres]

That's interesting to me, because I was under the impression that finding Lo-Pro Edge parts would be easier than finding Edge Pro ones due to the Lo-Pro unit still being available on retail guitars. It seems that I was wrong, it opens me to actually considering Edge Pro units in the future... should I find them. Thanks for the info.
EDIT: Actually it makes no sense in hindsight considering you can buy brand new Edge Pro trems on Thomann but anyway...

I mean, I've posted about a JPM dressed up 2020X for 1.3K€ in the GAS thread. I cannot justify buying it in my situation, but it's going to haunt me for a long ass while. Hell, just looking at it is killing me, so have a picture to make sure I'm not alone!

Oh yeah. That's a nice one there! I like it.

- BTW, the parts we're talking about are different. The LoPRo Parts are more abundant than Edge PRro for sure. The specific parts we're talking about is the saddle front part. The saddle being two pieces it's the front part or the one the string rests on. The double edge pro with piezo is the low pro piezo saddle the double edge is the original edge with the piezo saddle which is a differnt part because it's an origiannl edge saddle not a pro saddle. The Edge pro is a totally differnt trem too along with differnt saddles. None of them ever had piezo saddles, but the design of it is something some people would customze by putting the piezo elements in them and know making a custom doulbe edge pro. Again, the names are so close it gets confusin if the wrong names are used. But the Edge Pro is harder to come by than the LoPro the original Edge is even harder to come by, but they can all be had or made if you're patient and willing to pay the price. They're well worth it. Check out the thread I just made recently called Studio Magic Tricks and I actullly posted quick clips with the Double LoPro Edge recorded and mixed a few differnt ways. It sounds like an acoustic guitar with a piezo pickup basically. I like them a lot. My favorite thing to do is flip it on on a heavy distortion channel and it becomes a really nasty spitty fuzz pedal type tone. It's fun for that too.

 

[Lukhas]

Oh yeah. That's a nice one there! I like it.

- BTW, the parts we're talking about are different. The LoPRo Parts are more abundant than Edge PRro for sure. The specific parts we're talking about is the saddle front part. The saddle being two pieces it's the front part or the one the string rests on. The double edge pro with piezo is the low pro piezo saddle the double edge is the original edge with the piezo saddle which is a differnt part because it's an origiannl edge saddle not a pro saddle. The Edge pro is a totally differnt trem too along with differnt saddles. None of them ever had piezo saddles, but the design of it is something some people would customze by putting the piezo elements in them and know making a custom doulbe edge pro. Again, the names are so close it gets confusin if the wrong names are used. But the Edge Pro is harder to come by than the LoPro the original Edge is even harder to come by, but they can all be had or made if you're patient and willing to pay the price. They're well worth it. Check out the thread I just made recently called Studio Magic Tricks and I actullly posted quick clips with the Double LoPro Edge recorded and mixed a few differnt ways. It sounds like an acoustic guitar with a piezo pickup basically. I like them a lot. My favorite thing to do is flip it on on a heavy distortion channel and it becomes a really nasty spitty fuzz pedal type tone. It's fun for that too.

Thanks for the reply. I've double checked the Ibanez wiki: there have been some Double Edge Pro (not Lo-Pro, not Edge original) with piezo saddles. They were on the 2120X, 2127X, 1620X and 1820X. I've definitively seen some 2120X/2127X on Ebay from Japanese sellers, but basically almost never anywhere else. However there are 1820X or 1620X right now on Ebay with a (Double) Edge Pro. I've just never bothered checking them out because I am biased towards the (Double) Lo-Pro Edge.

Or maybe I did not understand a single thing you said.

 

[c7spheres]

Thanks for the reply. I've double checked the Ibanez wiki: there have been some Double Edge Pro (not Lo-Pro, not Edge original) with piezo saddles. They were on the 2120X, 2127X and 1820X... except those guitars are even harder to come by than the 2020X and 20207X. I've definitively seen some on Ebay from Japanese sellers, but basically almost never anywhere else.

Now that you mention those models I do remember seeing them now. They also had some of the same models transition from one bridge to another along the way. I'm pretty sure they probably just used whatever inventory they had or something : ) The 6 string versions were pretty abundant up until a few years ago then it's like someone bought em all up.

 

[diagrammatiks]

Thanks for the reply. I've double checked the Ibanez wiki: there have been some Double Edge Pro (not Lo-Pro, not Edge original) with piezo saddles. They were on the 2120X, 2127X, 1620X and 1820X. I've definitively seen some 2120X/2127X on Ebay from Japanese sellers, but basically almost never anywhere else. However there are 1820X or 1620X right now on Ebay with a (Double) Edge Pro. I've just never bothered checking them out because I am biased towards the (Double) Lo-Pro Edge.

Or maybe I did not understand a single thing you said.

yes I bought them all.

 

[SlipknotKoRnfan]

Only thing that makes me sad about my 2027X, as many others have stated before, is how fragile the finish is. i feel like if stare at it hard enough the clear coat gets damaged

 

[SlipknotKoRnfan]

Update: 2 hours after last post, discovered a new clearcoat chip in my RG2020X LOL!

 

[c7spheres]

Update: 2 hours after last post, discovered a new clearcoat chip in my RG2020X LOL!

Even just thinking about a chip will make the finish chip.

 

[bzhang9]

Just snagged one off some Japanese store on Ebay, decent price but was mislabeled and dinged up

not optimistic it ever gets here though

 

[odibrom]

Just snagged one off some Japanese store on Ebay, decent price but was mislabeled and dinged up

not optimistic it ever gets here though

Pictures or it isn't real!... joking, best of luck for it to get to your hands.

 

[27InchScale]

I totally agree, although I have huge hands. 27” always feels way, way better to me. I recently picked up a multiscale with 27” on bass side and 25.5” on treble side, I actually just can’t get into it. The C9 chord is just too effing crowded and bends my hand funny.

I’ve been eyeing up the Ibanez M80M just to see how the 30” feels.

Massive man massive.