Peavey 6505 vs 6505+, what's the difference?

gunch

30 y/o metal zooner
Joined
May 14, 2011
Messages
6,252
Reaction score
3,371
Location
Brewster, OH
people have been saying the 6505+ clean channel is better, but imo if you want crystal cleans it still sucks. not a very good clean channel at all compared to a 5150III or Mesa Roadster or anything.

it is an absolutely fantastic crunch channel though

I've heard you can get it to sound pretty decent with a EQ infront to scoop the input mids
 

Deadpool_25

SS.org Regular
Joined
Jun 22, 2017
Messages
3,224
Reaction score
4,664
So Peavey have released a 5150 1992 Edition and a 6505 II! I didn’t know that.

They aren’t available yet but they’re supposedly on the way.

Honestly these days, who knows? :lol:

There was supposed to be no difference. It was a name change because EVH owned the "5150" trademark.

...then again, Peavey themselves decided to muddy the waters by claiming their new 6505II and 5150 1992 Editions are bulilt to the exact specs of the 5150/5150II, which goes against even what THEY said before about the 6505 sounding exactly like the 5150.

I know Kyle Bull got a hold of a 6505II and compared it to a 6505+ and there were some differences.

I believe 1992 original’s significant difference is they apparently dug up Eddie’s favorite amp and/or transformers and had the new transformers built to those specs. And then there are a couple of creature comforts like a removable power cable and selectable voltage for the ability to use in varying countries. That’s pretty much it. Here is a portion of the official write up that talks about the amp a little. The info mirrors what I was told by someone at Peavey who would definitely know the details. :)


“The 6505 Series from Peavey returns in this exciting reissue with a modern design and new features while staying true to form.

Contrary to much folklore since the amplifier's inception, the recipe has remained virtually unchanged. However, over the course of time, component suppliers have experienced changes of ownership and changes to their manufacturing processes, things which can ultimately influence tone and unit-to-unit consistency.

We discovered some items had drifted. In particular, one of the most important items: the output transformer. The changes over the years resulted in a midrange that varied from amp to amp. That led us to develop a top-secret output transformer, made in an undisclosed location to mimic the magical crushing tone of the original series.

These reissues are true to form cosmetically and sonically.”
 

HeHasTheJazzHands

SS.org Regular
Joined
Jun 18, 2011
Messages
33,311
Reaction score
22,730
Location
Louisiana
Man, i hate the 6505+.

The 6505, on the other hand, is one of my all time favorite amps that I’ll never part with.
Shows how tastes differ, because I prefer the 6505+. For my tastes, no boost required. And it's easier to get a clean tone with higher-output pickups.
I've heard you can get it to sound pretty decent with a EQ infront to scoop the input mids

I think boosting mids would be more effect. Compared to the 6505/5150, it sounds like there's a mid spike going into the amp.
 

technomancer

Gearus Pimptasticus
Super Moderator
Joined
Apr 15, 2006
Messages
28,855
Reaction score
9,959
Location
Out there, somewhere
They aren’t available yet but they’re supposedly on the way.



I believe 1992 original’s significant difference is they apparently dug up Eddie’s favorite amp and/or transformers and had the new transformers built to those specs. And then there are a couple of creature comforts like a removable power cable and selectable voltage for the ability to use in varying countries. That’s pretty much it. Here is a portion of the official write up that talks about the amp a little. The info mirrors what I was told by someone at Peavey who would definitely know the details. :)

Didn't somebody else say they were using the transformers from the Invective on these? If so that would seem to indicate some marketing hype for a simple business decision to lower production costs by making all of the related amps use the same transformers (higher volume of a part = lower costs).
 

Deadpool_25

SS.org Regular
Joined
Jun 22, 2017
Messages
3,224
Reaction score
4,664
Didn't somebody else say they were using the transformers from the Invective on these? If so that would seem to indicate some marketing hype for a simple business decision to lower production costs by making all of the related amps use the same transformers (higher volume of a part = lower costs).
Someone may have said that but I don’t think that’s the case. Unless the Invective transformer is based on that same old one. I don’t think so but I’m certainly not sure.

With that said it wouldn’t shock me if, assuming the Invective’s OT isn’t currently the same, they start using that same tranny in Invectives moving forward.
 

MatsA

SS.org Regular
Joined
Jul 4, 2022
Messages
12
Reaction score
0
They aren’t available yet but they’re supposedly on the way.



I believe 1992 original’s significant difference is they apparently dug up Eddie’s favorite amp and/or transformers and had the new transformers built to those specs. And then there are a couple of creature comforts like a removable power cable and selectable voltage for the ability to use in varying countries. That’s pretty much it. Here is a portion of the official write up that talks about the amp a little. The info mirrors what I was told by someone at Peavey who would definitely know the details. :)


“The 6505 Series from Peavey returns in this exciting reissue with a modern design and new features while staying true to form.

Contrary to much folklore since the amplifier's inception, the recipe has remained virtually unchanged. However, over the course of time, component suppliers have experienced changes of ownership and changes to their manufacturing processes, things which can ultimately influence tone and unit-to-unit consistency.

We discovered some items had drifted. In particular, one of the most important items: the output transformer. The changes over the years resulted in a midrange that varied from amp to amp. That led us to develop a top-secret output transformer, made in an undisclosed location to mimic the magical crushing tone of the original series.

These reissues are true to form cosmetically and sonically.”
Thanks!
But can they really call it 5150 or will the 1992 Edition still be called 6505?
 

HeHasTheJazzHands

SS.org Regular
Joined
Jun 18, 2011
Messages
33,311
Reaction score
22,730
Location
Louisiana
Someone may have said that but I don’t think that’s the case. Unless the Invective transformer is based on that same old one. I don’t think so but I’m certainly not sure.

With that said it wouldn’t shock me if, assuming the Invective’s OT isn’t currently the same, they start using that same tranny in Invectives moving forward.
I feel like I saw someone compare their Invective OT to Kyle's pictures and that wasn't the case.
 

MatsA

SS.org Regular
Joined
Jul 4, 2022
Messages
12
Reaction score
0
Seems they’ve replaced it with the Invective transformer wich was based on what they thought was the best example of an older 5150 transformer.

 

Deadpool_25

SS.org Regular
Joined
Jun 22, 2017
Messages
3,224
Reaction score
4,664
Seems they’ve replaced it with the Invective transformer wich was based on what they thought was the best example of an older 5150 transformer.


Maybe the “tweaks” that came out of the conversations with Misha when building the Invective have been removed? Hmmm. Just a guess. I know the high amount of presence in the Invective can be an issue for some people.
 

HeHasTheJazzHands

SS.org Regular
Joined
Jun 18, 2011
Messages
33,311
Reaction score
22,730
Location
Louisiana
Maybe the “tweaks” that came out of the conversations with Misha when building the Invective have been removed? Hmmm. Just a guess. I know the high amount of presence in the Invective can be an issue for some people.
I wouldn't be surprised, given how long it even too for the Invective to hit market.
 

MatsA

SS.org Regular
Joined
Jul 4, 2022
Messages
12
Reaction score
0
Seems tube supply is what’s holding the new 6505’s release back.
 


Top