Peavey 6505 vs 6505+, what's the difference?

[gunch]

people have been saying the 6505+ clean channel is better, but imo if you want crystal cleans it still sucks. not a very good clean channel at all compared to a 5150III or Mesa Roadster or anything.

it is an absolutely fantastic crunch channel though

I've heard you can get it to sound pretty decent with a EQ infront to scoop the input mids

 

[Deadpool_25]

So Peavey have released a 5150 1992 Edition and a 6505 II! I didn’t know that.

They aren’t available yet but they’re supposedly on the way.

Honestly these days, who knows?

There was supposed to be no difference. It was a name change because EVH owned the "5150" trademark.

...then again, Peavey themselves decided to muddy the waters by claiming their new 6505II and 5150 1992 Editions are bulilt to the exact specs of the 5150/5150II, which goes against even what THEY said before about the 6505 sounding exactly like the 5150.

I know Kyle Bull got a hold of a 6505II and compared it to a 6505+ and there were some differences.

I believe 1992 original’s significant difference is they apparently dug up Eddie’s favorite amp and/or transformers and had the new transformers built to those specs. And then there are a couple of creature comforts like a removable power cable and selectable voltage for the ability to use in varying countries. That’s pretty much it. Here is a portion of the official write up that talks about the amp a little. The info mirrors what I was told by someone at Peavey who would definitely know the details.


“The 6505 Series from Peavey returns in this exciting reissue with a modern design and new features while staying true to form.

Contrary to much folklore since the amplifier's inception, the recipe has remained virtually unchanged. However, over the course of time, component suppliers have experienced changes of ownership and changes to their manufacturing processes, things which can ultimately influence tone and unit-to-unit consistency.

We discovered some items had drifted. In particular, one of the most important items: the output transformer. The changes over the years resulted in a midrange that varied from amp to amp. That led us to develop a top-secret output transformer, made in an undisclosed location to mimic the magical crushing tone of the original series.

These reissues are true to form cosmetically and sonically.”

 

[HeHasTheJazzHands]

Man, i hate the 6505+.

The 6505, on the other hand, is one of my all time favorite amps that I’ll never part with.

Shows how tastes differ, because I prefer the 6505+. For my tastes, no boost required. And it's easier to get a clean tone with higher-output pickups.

I've heard you can get it to sound pretty decent with a EQ infront to scoop the input mids

I think boosting mids would be more effect. Compared to the 6505/5150, it sounds like there's a mid spike going into the amp.

 

[technomancer]

They aren’t available yet but they’re supposedly on the way.



I believe 1992 original’s significant difference is they apparently dug up Eddie’s favorite amp and/or transformers and had the new transformers built to those specs. And then there are a couple of creature comforts like a removable power cable and selectable voltage for the ability to use in varying countries. That’s pretty much it. Here is a portion of the official write up that talks about the amp a little. The info mirrors what I was told by someone at Peavey who would definitely know the details.

Didn't somebody else say they were using the transformers from the Invective on these? If so that would seem to indicate some marketing hype for a simple business decision to lower production costs by making all of the related amps use the same transformers (higher volume of a part = lower costs).

 

[Deadpool_25]

Didn't somebody else say they were using the transformers from the Invective on these? If so that would seem to indicate some marketing hype for a simple business decision to lower production costs by making all of the related amps use the same transformers (higher volume of a part = lower costs).

Someone may have said that but I don’t think that’s the case. Unless the Invective transformer is based on that same old one. I don’t think so but I’m certainly not sure.

With that said it wouldn’t shock me if, assuming the Invective’s OT isn’t currently the same, they start using that same tranny in Invectives moving forward.

 

[MatsA]

They aren’t available yet but they’re supposedly on the way.



I believe 1992 original’s significant difference is they apparently dug up Eddie’s favorite amp and/or transformers and had the new transformers built to those specs. And then there are a couple of creature comforts like a removable power cable and selectable voltage for the ability to use in varying countries. That’s pretty much it. Here is a portion of the official write up that talks about the amp a little. The info mirrors what I was told by someone at Peavey who would definitely know the details.


“The 6505 Series from Peavey returns in this exciting reissue with a modern design and new features while staying true to form.

Contrary to much folklore since the amplifier's inception, the recipe has remained virtually unchanged. However, over the course of time, component suppliers have experienced changes of ownership and changes to their manufacturing processes, things which can ultimately influence tone and unit-to-unit consistency.

We discovered some items had drifted. In particular, one of the most important items: the output transformer. The changes over the years resulted in a midrange that varied from amp to amp. That led us to develop a top-secret output transformer, made in an undisclosed location to mimic the magical crushing tone of the original series.

These reissues are true to form cosmetically and sonically.”

Thanks!
But can they really call it 5150 or will the 1992 Edition still be called 6505?

 

[Deadpool_25]

Thanks!
But can they really call it 5150 or will the 1992 Edition still be called 6505?

It’s the 6505 1992 Original.

EVH owns the rights to the 5150 name.

 

[HeHasTheJazzHands]

Someone may have said that but I don’t think that’s the case. Unless the Invective transformer is based on that same old one. I don’t think so but I’m certainly not sure.

With that said it wouldn’t shock me if, assuming the Invective’s OT isn’t currently the same, they start using that same tranny in Invectives moving forward.

I feel like I saw someone compare their Invective OT to Kyle's pictures and that wasn't the case.

 

[MatsA]

Seems they’ve replaced it with the Invective transformer wich was based on what they thought was the best example of an older 5150 transformer.

 

[Deadpool_25]

Seems they’ve replaced it with the Invective transformer wich was based on what they thought was the best example of an older 5150 transformer.

Maybe the “tweaks” that came out of the conversations with Misha when building the Invective have been removed? Hmmm. Just a guess. I know the high amount of presence in the Invective can be an issue for some people.

 

[HeHasTheJazzHands]

Maybe the “tweaks” that came out of the conversations with Misha when building the Invective have been removed? Hmmm. Just a guess. I know the high amount of presence in the Invective can be an issue for some people.

I wouldn't be surprised, given how long it even too for the Invective to hit market.

 

[MatsA]

Seems tube supply is what’s holding the new 6505’s release back.