Peavey 6505 vs 11 guitar amp modeling platforms! (Axe Fx III, Helix, TH-U etc.)

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  1. WarMachine

    WarMachine SS.org Regular

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    It's been a VERY long time since i've used Revalver, but if memory serves you can actually get around some of the compressed sound by bypassing the built in IR loader completely and use another IR loader outside of it. Could be completely wrong but i'm pretty sure it helps it out tremendously.
     
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    Great video! Would love to hear the green channel as a bonus!

    Most importantly - cool riff!
     
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    Thanks!
    I'll make a proper full length demo for the 6505 with both channels soon probably....
     
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    oneblackened Doesn't Actually Play a Seven String

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    Here's my thoughts, overall.

    Top tier (i.e. closest to the real thing):
    Helix: this was by far the closest and it's hard to tell the difference. 9.5/10
    Axe FX: good, but it's got that distinctive Fractal upper mid thing that you can't dial out. Dynamics similar but perhaps somewhat less weighty on the palm mutes. 8/10

    Good tier (fairly close, but missing a few things):
    TH-U: Relatively close, but a bit flubby compared to the actual amp. 7.5/10
    X50: Again, relatively close, but the lower mids are congested and muddy. 7.5/10

    Okay tier (things clearly wrong, but still usable):
    Revalver 4: Kinda muffled sounding and lacking in dynamic response, but the midrange is fairly close. 6.5/10
    Amplitube 4: More fuzzy than grindy, dynamics lacking. Lack of presence control is confusing. 6.2/10
    Thermionik: Fizzy, sounds like old generation modeling. Also kind of thin. 6/10

    Bad tier (multiple things wrong):
    Amplitube 4: More fuzzy than grindy, dynamics lacking. Lack of presence control is confusing. 5.9/10
    Nick Crow 8505: Waaaaay too much low mid. Not a fan. Top end also sounds "digital". 5.8/10
    Pod Farm: I can't give PF too much crap, it's very old software at this point - but it falls short in every dimension. Plastic dynamics, fake sounding top end. 5/10
    Guitar Rig 5: Amp modeling is not one of NI's strong suits. Old modeling with muddy mids and plastic dynamics. 4.5/10
    Bias: I'm not sure what the fuck Positive Grid is aiming for with this one, but it's not a 6505 at all, nor is it good sounding. 1/10
     
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    op1e Blood_Lust:Unlimited

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    Ya the way you had the Helix Panama dialed in I never would have tried. I'll have to try it on Native later. Ye old "mix with your ears not eyes" proverb. I had been doing the standard 6-6-6 and boost formula. Pointless cause I can just run the 6505mh into WoS and be done with it. But would be good to have a dry vst signal for reamping when mastered.
     
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    Awesome!
    Thanks so much for sharing your detailed observations!
    I think we agree on a lot of things.

    Yeah, sometimes it's a bit of a mindfuck tbh but you just gotta keep trusting your ears.
    I was dead set on making it work so I just kept on dialing until it sounded good.
     
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