Official Daemoness Guitars Thread

[Albake21]

You do you, but it would be cool if you put in the control cavity or under the truss rod cover or something that it's not an ESP.

That's exactly what I plan to have done. I wasn't sure if I was going to stamp something on the back of the headstock to make is obvious or put something in the cavity.

At the end of the day, you'd have to have half a brain cell to buy a refinished Edwards and think you actually bought an ESP custom. Actual ESP's have so much more markings on them, different serial, and even a different paint job to anything I would refinish to. If for some reason it were to be ever sold, it would sold as refinished Edwards, not an ESP.

 

[MaxOfMetal]

That's exactly what I plan to have done. I wasn't sure if I was going to stamp something on the back of the headstock to make is obvious or put something in the cavity.

At the end of the day, you'd have to have half a brain cell to buy a refinished Edwards and think you actually bought an ESP custom. Actual ESP's have so much more markings on them, different serial, and even a different paint job to anything I would refinish to. If for some reason it were to be ever sold, it would sold as refinished Edwards, not an ESP.

Eh, folks see a cool guitar and do a shallow Google search maybe and just jump on it. Like @narad has said, even guys who buy real, high end ESPs fall for rebranded LTD and Edwards.

ESP especially is really shitty about searching models, especially older, special order, and home market. They have tons of different logos and serials and markings by different year, series, and region.

I'm sure you wouldn't sell it as an ESP, but the next guy is basically a coin flip.

 

[narad]

This is exactly why half of the posts on the ESP fan groups are "Is this real?". But yea, it falls in a weird in between where like, if you want to make it known that it's not ESP, why would you put the ESP logo on the front? I understand the desire to just totally fake it, even if I don't approve of it. Faking it halfway, just bizarre to me.

 

[Albake21]

why would you put the ESP logo on the front? I understand the desire to just totally fake it, even if I don't approve of it. Faking it halfway, just bizarre to me.

Because it looks nicer? The ESP logo is much more pleasing to the eyes over Edwards or no logo at all.

The desire comes from not being able to drop a gross amount of money on original ESPs like some of you guys can. We're not all made of money.

 

[JimF]

Guys I've solved it:

 

[narad]

Because it looks nicer? The ESP logo is much more pleasing to the eyes over Edwards or no logo at all.

The desire comes from not being able to drop a gross amount of money on original ESPs like some of you guys can. We're not all made of money.

By the time you refinish an Edwards HIII you're probably not going to be far off from ESP HIII territory / $1500-2k

 

[Albake21]

By the time you refinish an Edwards HIII you're probably not going to be far off from ESP HIII territory / $1500-2k

If this was 10 years ago, I'd agree. But used ESP originals start at around $2.5k - $3k. Used ESP Standards start at around $1.7k - $2K (that one boggles my mind, but I bet it has to do with the logo) and used E-II's can be bought for around $1.3k - $1.5k.

I went back and forth debating on going with an E-II or an Edwards, and ultimately, I realized I could get an Edwards, change out the hardware to my liking (and of higher quality than E-IIs), and get the exact paint job I like for the same price I'd be paying for just a used stock E-II. It's really a no brainer, money wise.

 

[mastapimp]

Putting another company's logo on a cheap guitar is some Bush league bullshit.

 

[Albake21]

Putting another company's logo on a cheap guitar is some Bush league bullshit.

Except this "cheap" guitar is made in the same factory as ESP's E-IIs.

Man, I really ruffled some feathers here, just makes me want to do it even more.

 

[narad]

If this was 10 years ago, I'd agree. But used ESP originals start at around $2.5k - $3k. Used ESP Standards start at around $1.7k - $2K (that one boggles my mind, but I bet it has to do with the logo) and used E-II's can be bought for around $1.3k - $1.5k.

I went back and forth debating on going with an E-II or an Edwards, and ultimately, I realized I could get an Edwards, change out the hardware to my liking (and of higher quality than E-IIs), and get the exact paint job I like for the same price I'd be paying for just a used stock E-II. It's really a no brainer, money wise.

I mean, I watch the prices really carefully because I can't watch Horizon-Is without seeing basically every Horizon-III that pops up. It doesn't take more than a month or two to find one sub $2k. Getting it over there is a bit of a hassle but not impossible to do on a < $2k budget in a gigbag.

Except this "cheap" guitar is made in the same factory as ESP's E-IIs.

Man, I really ruffled some feathers here, just makes me want to do it even more.

Yea, there's some big asterisks involved when it comes down to pinpointing where a given Edwards is made.

 

[mastapimp]

Except this "cheap" guitar is made in the same factory as ESP's E-IIs.

Man, I really ruffled some feathers here, just makes me want to do it even more.

Then why does the Edwards brand even exist by your rationale? If they all come out of the same building, they must be completely interchangeable according to you?

 

[Thesius]

Then why does the Edwards brand even exist by your rationale? If they all come out of the same building, they must be completely interchangeable according to you?

"Suppoesdly" It's the same factory but Edward's are all CNCed and the others are not. Getting info from ESP about where their guitars are made is impossible. At this point I'm not even sure what the story is on Edward's. Same say made overseas and finished in Japan, others say different. I emailed their other brand Killer asking where a specific model I was interested in was made. Never got a response.

 

[MetalDestroyer]

I can't afford the real thing so I'm making a counterfeit with the real thing's logo on it

ya ok then

 

[73647k]

I plan on getting it refinished and putting an ESP logo on it

 

[drmosh]

Eh, folks see a cool guitar and do a shallow Google search maybe and just jump on it. Like @narad has said, even guys who buy real, high end ESPs fall for rebranded LTD and Edwards.

ESP especially is really shitty about searching models, especially older, special order, and home market. They have tons of different logos and serials and markings by different year, series, and region.

I'm sure you wouldn't sell it as an ESP, but the next guy is basically a coin flip.

I never understood their branding. E II is supposed to be equivalent to ESP? Sound worse, bad name too

 

[drmosh]

This must not be news? Seen on the daemoness FB owners page thing

"Did you see that Doug was taking orders for new builds last month? His website said "open for orders" for several weeks. Now closed for orders."

 

[MaxOfMetal]

I never understood their branding. E II is supposed to be equivalent to ESP? Sound worse, bad name too

The E-IIs just replaced the old ESP Standard series, which for many years was their entry-level MIJ line, so below the Original and Custom lines, but still made in one of their Japanese factories, just not in one of the custom shops.

 

[Alsvartr]

Except this "cheap" guitar is made in the same factory as ESP's E-IIs.

Man, I really ruffled some feathers here, just makes me want to do it even more.

You can get one of those decals like the ESP custom logo but it says ESP counterfeit or something.

But yeah putting a Esp logo on an Edwards is a slimy thing to do. That would just be trashy like David Gilmour putting Fender decals on Charvel necks for his frankensteined partscaster or like Hetfield putting a Gibson logo truss cover on some no name bolt on Japanese flying v spray painted white.

The moral here is don't be poor and trashy. Either be wealthy or make some sort of sacrifices so that you can consume more expensive goods.

 

[BlackMastodon]

Y'all are acting like he's buying up non-ESP's and slapping an ESP logo on them to sell for a profit when he just said that he'd rather buy a stock guitar and mod/paint it to his tastes, which kinda implies that he isn't going to resell it anytime. Sheesh.

 

[MaxOfMetal]

Y'all are acting like he's buying up non-ESP's and slapping an ESP logo on them to sell for a profit when he just said that he'd rather buy a stock guitar and mod/paint it to his tastes, which kinda implies that he isn't going to resell it anytime. Sheesh.

Because no one ever sells guitars they mod. Ever. Not even once. Nor do they sell guitars they, at the moment, don't plan on. They're all keepers forever.

Next thing you'll say is people sell extremely expensive custom guitars they've waited years for. Hogwash!