New Mesa Boogie Mark amp?

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If it weren't for Fryette we'd still be playing amps without resonance controls. I can't imagine a world without them. Pretty sure Mesa ripped it off him and he shrugged it off. His Malcontents series is pretty good, though time stamps would help a lot. So much knowledge and history in those episodes and the random stuff that comes up sometimes is great too.


I had the IICP and UL modules. The IICP definitely gets a very convincing Mark tone. I felt like it lacked the punch of my Mark IV, but maybe that's just how the IIC+ is. I didn't know it, but apparently Steven Fryette co-designed the IIC+ with Randall Smith... So I imagine it's damn close. That said, the clean channel on that module is probably the best I've ever heard out of any amp. It's seriously great.

The Ultralead module NAILED the tone of my SigX and then some. So much so that I got rid of the amp shortly after acquiring the module. Interestingly, I felt the Deliverance module was boring and lacked balls. The UL module could get all the tones the Deliverance could and a lot more.
Good info here. Curious what power amp you used, if any.
 

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I think he talks about a lot of it in this video iirc. It's long so I'm not gonna double check.


The funny thing is, I've watched this before lol I don't remember him saying he ever worked for Mesa, but may have missed it. I know he used to work in the LA scene, same scene as Randall, but maybe Valley Arts?
It was his time at Valley Arts being the main amp repair guy. He didn't work on the amp per se, but he was the middle man between Mesa and (complaining) customers during the evolution of the Mark II series, since mesa had a very close relationship with VA. And by the sounds of things, he had to work on a LOT of Mark II amps. :lol: So yeah, the next best thing besides getting actual Mesa guys lol.
 

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It was his time at Valley Arts being the main amp repair guy. He didn't work on the amp per se, but he was the middle man between Mesa and (complaining) customers during the evolution of the Mark II series, since mesa had a very close relationship with VA. And by the sounds of things, he had to work on a LOT of Mark II amps. :lol: So yeah, the next best thing besides getting actual Mesa guys lol.

Sure but there's a big difference between relaying customer complaints to Mesa and developing the IIC+ mod. Just trying to verify some claims before they get cemented into internet lore.
 

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Sure but there's a big difference between relaying customer complaints to Mesa and developing the IIC+ mod. Just trying to verify some claims before they get cemented into internet lore.
Nah I wasn't saying he was right lol, just saying what Fryette's connection with Mesa *actually* was and why he was chosen for the IICP module project.
 

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Who said that? Gonna call BS unless there's some reference. IIRC, during winter namm in like 83, a couple mesa guys stayed behind and were trying to update the IIC to be the perfect lead amp. IIRC, Doug West was one? Maybe it was Randall, Doug, and Mike? It's hard to imagine Mike not being involved given he's the guru now. I can't find the article, but there used to be a sort of history of the IIC+ development online in places. Now when I search I just get fluff pieces that are basically adcopy for the NDSP plugins, but it's out there somewhere. I'm sure I would have committed it to memory if Steve's name was mentioned there.
if I'm comprehending the video correctly, apparently he didn't co design it but helped make it what it became during the revisions. He talked back and forth with Mesa as customer intermediary of sorts translating what customers wanted, fixing prblems and making dreams into reality. Mesa (Randall Smith / one of Fryettes mentors) and Fryette were going back and forth on apparently every aspect through the history of it, but he didn't work for them directly it'd seem but had basically a lot to do with essentially helping with product development for Mesa.

- After watching the video the Synergys main difference is the EQ uses gyrators instead of inductors for eq, it actually switches out of the path when turned off, plus the module is using both iic+ and iic++ charateristics where the clean is iic++ character but the lead is iic+ etc. It's better in a lot of ways it seems, but then he goes on to explain the UL and it's like that's even better. I just realized I don't think the Synergy let's you footswtich or midi the EQ in or out on the IICP and UL. I hope I'm wrong..
 

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I had the IICP and UL modules. The IICP definitely gets a very convincing Mark tone. I felt like it lacked the punch of my Mark IV, but maybe that's just how the IIC+ is. I didn't know it, but apparently Steven Fryette co-designed the IIC+ with Randall Smith... So I imagine it's damn close. That said, the clean channel on that module is probably the best I've ever heard out of any amp. It's seriously great.

The Ultralead module NAILED the tone of my SigX and then some. So much so that I got rid of the amp shortly after acquiring the module. Interestingly, I felt the Deliverance module was boring and lacked balls. The UL module could get all the tones the Deliverance could and a lot more.
What were you running the modules through? My worry isn't that the module won't nail the preamp tone, but that if I don't have a power amp with the same wattage and tubes then I won't nail the overall tone.
 

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And then like an hour later you're lying in bed reading more about Marks. :lol: At least, that's what my last two weeks have been like, lol.
Exactly! The cycle continues.
And then a year later you're sounded by 3 generations of Mark variations. IT COULD HAPPEN TO YOU, TOO!!
I'm trying to avoid that! If I turn into a Mark whore, @MatrixClaw can swing by and throat punch me. 😂

Seriously though, there are quite a few Mark models in the Fractal and now that I know how to dial in a decent tone with them (which is modeled correctly in the Fractalverse from what I can tell), I feel like I have enough Mark tones to keep me satisfied.

Famous last words? 🤔
 

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Exactly! The cycle continues.

I'm trying to avoid that! If I turn into a Mark whore, @MatrixClaw can swing by and throat punch me. 😂

Seriously though, there are quite a few Mark models in the Fractal and now that I know how to dial in a decent tone with them (which is modeled correctly in the Fractalverse from what I can tell), I feel like I have enough Mark tones to keep me satisfied.

Famous last words? 🤔
OK, that's not fair, now you're making me wonder if I should finally break down and get a Fractal. :lol: I mean, it would make tremendous sense in my case. So, see, I'm already rationalizing.
 

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Who said that? Gonna call BS unless there's some reference. IIRC, during winter namm in like 83, a couple mesa guys stayed behind and were trying to update the IIC to be the perfect lead amp. IIRC, Doug West was one? Maybe it was Randall, Doug, and Mike? It's hard to imagine Mike not being involved given he's the guru now. I can't find the article, but there used to be a sort of history of the IIC+ development online in places. Now when I search I just get fluff pieces that are basically adcopy for the NDSP plugins, but it's out there somewhere. I'm sure I would have committed it to memory if Steve's name was mentioned there.
Good question - I remember "co-designed" being the words I heard. I swear Steven said it in the video he did for Synergy introducing it but I rewatched it this morning and didn't hear the mention in there. Maybe it was that longer video shared earlier? I thought maybe it was in the manual as well, but I found the PDF on their website and it also mentions Valley Arts. Maybe they updated it after the one I had, but I explicitly remember reading or hearing it somewhere not long ago because I sent a message to a friend about it. Unfortunately, I didn't send him the source 😭
Good info here. Curious what power amp you used, if any.
My Fryette PS-1 or the power section of my Bogner 101b.
What were you running the modules through? My worry isn't that the module won't nail the preamp tone, but that if I don't have a power amp with the same wattage and tubes then I won't nail the overall tone.
Answered above. I initially thought the PS-1 sucked with the Synergy gear but turns out the cab I was using it through had some faulty wiring. Once I switched to a different cab, there wasn't a huge difference between it and my Bogner, other than the Bogner helped my Uberschall module sound closer to my 101b. The PowerStation is one of the power amps the Synergy system was originally tested with.
 

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Looks like Kyle Bull has a Mark VII and he's got a demo coming out on Tuesday. He just released his playthrough of the Mark V, so hopefully we'll get some kind of direct comparison soon.

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Yeah but @BadSeed doesn't like when you send him an amp wrapped in green Saran Wrap so his opinion is invalid anyway.
 

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Good question - I remember "co-designed" being the words I heard. I swear Steven said it in the video he did for Synergy introducing it but I rewatched it this morning and didn't hear the mention in there. Maybe it was that longer video shared earlier? I thought maybe it was in the manual as well, but I found the PDF on their website and it also mentions Valley Arts. Maybe they updated it after the one I had, but I explicitly remember reading or hearing it somewhere not long ago because I sent a message to a friend about it. Unfortunately, I didn't send him the source 😭

My Fryette PS-1 or the power section of my Bogner 101b.

Answered above. I initially thought the PS-1 sucked with the Synergy gear but turns out the cab I was using it through had some faulty wiring. Once I switched to a different cab, there wasn't a huge difference between it and my Bogner, other than the Bogner helped my Uberschall module sound closer to my 101b. The PowerStation is one of the power amps the Synergy system was originally tested with.
Huh, that sounds like what I should be doing. But, does it bug you that the PS-1 has 6L6s, and the UL has KT88s? I mean, I can't tell the difference between anything people on the internet argue about, but it seems that everyone is hearing the differences between EL34s, 6L6s, KT88s, etc.
 

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they use the same parts for multiple amps. The holes are different mounting points for different badges.

Goddamn it Mesa, maybe stop putting the logo in a different spot every time you release a new amp that is offered in rackmount form lol The old rack cases have clean front panels.
 


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