MoistTowelette
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I think I prefer the jp2c but I feel like I've heard better iic+ tones before. I think it could benefit from raising the 6600 slider a bit.
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I think I prefer the jp2c but I feel like I've heard better iic+ tones before. I think it could benefit from raising the 6600 slider a bit.
KnightBrolaire
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yeah the jp2c seemed to have more low end punch and clarity overall than the others with those specific settings. I also preferred it.
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So...hey I'm just wondering is the 2c++ something people want or enjoy? Wasn't that the default James amp after Crunch Berries? I don't know much about it, has more something or other over the 2c+.
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KnightBrolaire
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++ mod basically adds more gain and slightly tweaks the upper mids to give it a rawer feeling. You basically lose the clean channel by doing it though. That's largely why it's not as popular.
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Shorts_Mike
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Don't let some of those videos throw you off. The IV and the V can be made to sound extremely close to one another; albeit with different EQ settings. The EQs, and in particular the 5-band EQs, just work differently on the two amps and it tends to throw people off. The videos where there's a marked difference tend to be the ones where guys just throw their Mark IV settings onto the V and call it a day. What you'll notice most in these videos is that the middle slider will be alot higher than what you typically see on most Mark V demos and that's because it tends to make the low end on the IV a bit unruly when run too low. Not the case on the V (in fact, you typically need to do this to get the most out of the V).
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Shorts_Mike
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I bet that if you flipped the VII onto iv mode, there would be alot less difference. That iic+ just has that in-your-face rawness, though.
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HeHasTheJazzHands
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Honestly the OG was my least favorite. Leaning more towards the 7 but it and the JP2c sound great
narad
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Ola's comparison was pretty terrible IMO. I mean, maybe if you like just tight palm mutes over and over, they might sound the same. I usually tend to compare amps by hitting chords and notes that ring out. There are plenty of videos out there (Jeremy's above, has tons of others) that will show some clear distinctions between different IIC+s, let alone a IIC+ vs a MKIV or JP2C.
TheBolivianSniper
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I thought the VII was the best sounding by far. It sounds like Mesa has been trying to hop on the 5150 clone train with the past 2 amps. Between the Badlander and VII their offerings have gotten noticeably more aggressive, and the JP2C sounds really good there, but it just isn't quite what I want. Most of the shootouts have me taking the VII but I never liked Extreme mode whenever I got to try a V. The one V plugin was my main sound for a while and you could really get it close to some V demos I've heard, and I pretty much lived on 2C mode on that, maybe IV.
I honestly think I'd take a VII but that'll be far in the future. I don't have anything to save for anyways rn, I literally cannot justify or afford more guitars rn, so maybe I'll make a VII stack something for down the road when I've got some concrete achievements under my belt.
I honestly think I'd take a VII but that'll be far in the future. I don't have anything to save for anyways rn, I literally cannot justify or afford more guitars rn, so maybe I'll make a VII stack something for down the road when I've got some concrete achievements under my belt.
In person I do this, usually lots of sus and dissonant chords from ppp to fff. With youtube videos under 2k though it's kind of pointless trying to catch those nuances. There's the production aspect of the track in most cases, and in all cases there's the YT compression/encoding that glazes everything.
With Ola's vid I just wasn't impressed with his playing. He can play well, but it seems like he didn't even bother to warm up for that demo.
I don't know, the Synergy at a third or half the price seems potentially better, more flexible and lower noise. It's not the real deal but it's more real than a modeller and lower cost than some of those too. You can tell at 4:23 Ola is amazed how close (better?) the Synergy is and even at 7min when using the Synergy's Eq itself too it's still better, imo, especially when you can buy another guitar or processor or even backup of the same system for less than the real deal, but you still need the power section so the cost goes right back up.
- I bet if this were paired with a Fryette it'd crush it, but then why not just get an UL? Yes, I'm starting trouble. All I'm saying is everyone seems to have way better ears and is way more picky than me that's for sure. They're almost the same to my ears. I'm starting to lean towards an UL/Deliverance or SLO and TDLX/Bman Synergy setup though at this point over amps and modellers etc. but they're so small. If Synergy comes out with full rack versions of these preamps with big knobs and sliders that be a big win too. If I were starting all over again I'd probably go for a SYn30 or 50 with a UL or IICP module. It's the way for basically every situation. Since I'm not moving around a lot though maybe go rack head and Axe III. It's all so complicated. jk. I rarely buy things.
Amazing how good it sounds though. At least for chugs.
- I bet if this were paired with a Fryette it'd crush it, but then why not just get an UL? Yes, I'm starting trouble. All I'm saying is everyone seems to have way better ears and is way more picky than me that's for sure. They're almost the same to my ears. I'm starting to lean towards an UL/Deliverance or SLO and TDLX/Bman Synergy setup though at this point over amps and modellers etc. but they're so small. If Synergy comes out with full rack versions of these preamps with big knobs and sliders that be a big win too. If I were starting all over again I'd probably go for a SYn30 or 50 with a UL or IICP module. It's the way for basically every situation. Since I'm not moving around a lot though maybe go rack head and Axe III. It's all so complicated. jk. I rarely buy things.
Amazing how good it sounds though. At least for chugs.
Jon Pearson
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I get the feeling Ola doesn't really care much about the VII, or maybe he's just stressed lately. The demo he did was kinda blah too.
Ola does a great service fo the chug community. lol, So is the MK VII awesome still? Have you tried the MK VII mode as a dirt or chunk channel yet? I''m thinking it'd be great for some Tool Riff type tones or something. Can channel one do a tweed style tone like the MK V?
HeHasTheJazzHands
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Having to do a new video almost every day to appease the yt algorithm would burn you out too lol
But yeah uh that seems like a typical modern Ola video to me.
Jon Pearson
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Yeah I'm still digging it quite a bit. I haven't had as much time to dial it in honestly, I've been tracking a song and I'm using it as my scratch tone right now, so I kinda got it right and left it lol
Hoping to mess with it more tomorrow with some tweaking. I just wanted sick high gain chug out of the VII mode, so I haven't gotten around to dialing it more as a fat tone yet.
Definitely, I do feel sympathy for that guy, he does a great job but I'm sure it's stressful as hell. I do kinda miss his old school videos though where he would just do the backing and isolated guitar sounds.
Shorts_Mike
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Honestly, Mark series amps aren't what I'd immediately reach for when it comes to Tool tones. They can do them and I'm sure Mark VII mode would do fine, but almost any Rectifier series amp (particularly pre-Badlander) is going to excel moreso at that stuff.
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HeHasTheJazzHands
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I can probably see Mark 7 mode doing Tool. But any other Mark mode... eeehhh. Yeah that's Recto, Diezel, Rivera, cranked (modded) Marshall NMV amp. Something that has some give.
But yeah I can probably see the MK7 mode doing Tool, but the Mark series has this inherent stiffness even on fatter settings
But yeah I can probably see the MK7 mode doing Tool, but the Mark series has this inherent stiffness even on fatter settings
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Jon Pearson
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I just took the few minutes before bedtime to crank up Mk VII mode through my actual cab. Through that cab, it is very Rectifier-esque, down to the sometimes frustrating ability to get the Rectifier to compress the way I want it lol.
I think it would do the Tool thing, but yeah, probably would go for a different amp if that were my main sound.
I like it a lot with my Guptech Grindr in front of it - TC Int. Pre style pedals in front of a Recto is one of my go-to favorite sounds and definitely has that vibe when I run that setup. I think most likely the VII will be a high gain rhythm sound for me, with channel 3 getting set up for lead in IV mode. Ran out of time to mess with the clean again, I just couldn't stop playing ignorant death metal on VII mode.
I think it would do the Tool thing, but yeah, probably would go for a different amp if that were my main sound.
I like it a lot with my Guptech Grindr in front of it - TC Int. Pre style pedals in front of a Recto is one of my go-to favorite sounds and definitely has that vibe when I run that setup. I think most likely the VII will be a high gain rhythm sound for me, with channel 3 getting set up for lead in IV mode. Ran out of time to mess with the clean again, I just couldn't stop playing ignorant death metal on VII mode.
