Need help to find a good punk rock pedal !!!

[big man]

Well i've been searching for some distortion pedals, but i don't get the sound i want. I'm searching like SOCIAL DISTORTION sound, specially the sound of their new album "hard times and nursery ryhmes", if anyone knows the distortion pedals they use or other pedals to get the same sound please post it.

Thanks everyone !

 

[blister7321]

the ibanez smash box will get a similar sound
good solid distortion pedal

 

[Pish]

maybe a Boss HM-2?

 

[sell2792]

What kind of amp are you using?

 

[Ostia Man]

most punk bands guitar sounds come from marshall amps, there are a million pedals thay claim to have that sound but they dont. my opinion get a marshall tube head and a marshall 4x12. if you cant I believe the carl martin plexitone have a very nice marshall tone, not high gain but enough for punk

 

[warlock7strEMG]

most punk bands guitar sounds come from marshall amps, there are a million pedals thay claim to have that sound but they dont. my opinion get a marshall tube head and a marshall 4x12. if you cant I believe the carl martin plexitone have a very nice marshall tone, not high gain but enough for punk

I second this!! That album, tho I'm not sure what amps were used for tracking guitars, sounds to me like a cranked Marshall and not much else!!!

What amp are u currently using? Seems like the wise thing to do would be to invest in a Marshall JCM800 2203 or something of that sort, and crank it!!!!

Something cheaper like a Laney ProTube, Sovteck Mig, Peavey Butcher/VTM, all of which are more or less 2203 copies, would do the trick too. My Butcher thru a V30 loaded cab sounds very similar when cranked and plugged straight in. And I only paid $250 for it!!! Good tone, ESP of the straight forward rock/punk variety doesn't always have to cost much, thank god!!

 

[Leuchty]

Try a Marshall Guv'nor.

 

[Dead Undead]

I second this!! That album, tho I'm not sure what amps were used for tracking guitars, sounds to me like a cranked Marshall and not much else!!!

What amp are u currently using? Seems like the wise thing to do would be to invest in a Marshall JCM800 2203 or something of that sort, and crank it!!!!

Something cheaper like a Laney ProTube, Sovteck Mig, Peavey Butcher/VTM, all of which are more or less 2203 copies, would do the trick too. My Butcher thru a V30 loaded cab sounds very similar when cranked and plugged straight in. And I only paid $250 for it!!! Good tone, ESP of the straight forward rock/punk variety doesn't always have to cost much, thank god!!

When I think punk, I think JCM900.
But a Laney Pro Tube will go far beyond your expectations. Great recommendation.

 

[signalgrey]

Blackstar HT-Dual will get you there.
Blackstar is made by a few guys who used to work at marshall. This will nail that sound. I love the fuck out of mine.

 

[petereanima]

SOCIAL DISTORTION sound, specially the sound of their new album "hard times and nursery ryhmes", if anyone knows the distortion pedals they use or other pedals to get the same sound please post it.

Thats a great tone youre going for.

Mike Ness has, as far as i kow, almost always used a modded Fender Bassman (and Marshall 4x10 cabs), and uses a Boss SD-1 pedal. The other guitarrist plays Satellite Amps...

I dont know what you are currently using gearwise...but to get near that sound, i would stay away from distortion pedals, if anything, i would use overdrive pedals, and VERY low gain settings on the amp. SD dont use much gain, its "crunch" settings maximum, also the yuse P90 pickups which arent high output also...I would recommend to - depending on what you are using - forget the pedal, just use lowgain/crunch settings, many mids and a good amount of highs...or get an overdrive pedal, and use your amp clean only.

If you are going for a new amp - yeah, the common Marshalls will get you pretty close.

Also remember, that a guitar sound on CD does never sound like a "real" guitar sound, its the unhuman tight combination of guitar, bass and drums, EQd and produced to the max you are hearing. If you would hear the guitar tracks alone, they would propably sound pretty "thin"...

 

[sell2792]

Bugera 1990 head + cab or combo.

 

[kamello]

Social Distortion - Mike Ness Guitar Rig Gear and Equipment

here you have all Mike Ness gear.
Like a petereanema said above, stay away from distortion pedals, at least my
experience with them had been terrible with the exception of the Metal Muff, wich
definetely won't be very useful for the sound you are looking at.
also for Rhytm turn down the volume knob a bit until you get a less treblish sound
for leads i think you'll need a bit more treble and gain with mids at 2-3 o'clock
to give a ''fatty'' feeling

 

[big man]

thanks man, your info is very usefull for me by now.
i have a roland jazz-90 amp, but maybe in some moths i will buy a marshall amp. as you recomended me .

 

[big man]

Thats a great tone youre going for.

Mike Ness has, as far as i kow, almost always used a modded Fender Bassman (and Marshall 4x10 cabs), and uses a Boss SD-1 pedal. The other guitarrist plays Satellite Amps...

I dont know what you are currently using gearwise...but to get near that sound, i would stay away from distortion pedals, if anything, i would use overdrive pedals, and VERY low gain settings on the amp. SD dont use much gain, its "crunch" settings maximum, also the yuse P90 pickups which arent high output also...I would recommend to - depending on what you are using - forget the pedal, just use lowgain/crunch settings, many mids and a good amount of highs...or get an overdrive pedal, and use your amp clean only.

If you are going for a new amp - yeah, the common Marshalls will get you pretty close.

Also remember, that a guitar sound on CD does never sound like a "real" guitar sound, its the unhuman tight combination of guitar, bass and drums, EQd and produced to the max you are hearing. If you would hear the guitar tracks alone, they would propably sound pretty "thin"...

the post on the end was for u xd !! and thanks for all

 

[Nr2003man]

I've been searching for their tone also, huge fan. Like others said Mike Ness uses a 1976 Les Paul Deluxe Goldtop with a maple neck and Seymour Duncan Sp90-2 pickups through a 50 watt 1967 Blackface Bassman head going through a 60s original Marshall 4x10 cab with vintage greenback speakers. He uses a Boss sd-1 for solos. The Bassman head was modded by Billy Zoom originally and Fred Tacone from Divided by 13 did more to it and it is his latest work you hear on Hard times and Nursery Rhymes, and when he plays live. When they go over seas Mike uses both a Marshall head and cab cause he doesn't want his expensive Bassman getting beat up on the long flight.

I finally broke down and got a original unmodded 67 blackface head with a Vibroking cab that has 2x12 Celestion vintage 30s speakers. I use a Epiphone Les Paul '56 Goldtop I put in the Seymour Duncan sp90-2 pickups and play strictly through the bridge pickup. I plug my guitar into the first input on the bass channel and run a patch cable from the second bass input to the first input on the normal channel. With all that I still can not get their exact tone, but it is really close. I say 90%. I bought a Boss SD-1 overdrive pedal and that just makes the amp buzz like crazy as if the single coil pickups weren't enough buzz rockets when crancked high. So I don't use that pedal. I think a Boss noise supressor will help alot with that. To get the tone of the song "Machine Gun Blues" I think investing into a Wampler Black '65 pedal will do it, look it up on YouTube, that pedal is what we need. I forget which video best represents their tone though.

I seen them live recently three times and yes they do sound like the cd. Watch their Conan Obrian show on YouTube of them doing Machine Gun Blues. Their tone is the same if not better.

Here is what you do to get close to their sound, keep a open mind cause their sound has changed through the years from cd to cd. Get a Fender amp, not a Marshall. You want a Fender because they beat the Marshall in brightness and that's what you hear. You have to crank a Fender up pretty high to get it to gain unless it has a master volume knob then you can have crunch at low volume. I suggest looking at the Fender Mustang Amplifyers it's a really good modeling amp and it comes with software where you can create custom tones on a pc and save it to the amp. That will get you close but I do suggest getting the Wampler '65 pedal because it is made to sound like a Blackface bassman which the amp doesn't have but with that pedal and the amps preset amp models that will do it. Don't forget a p90 Les Paul cause that is the #1 thing you must have. Look at the Epiphone '56 or the Gibson '60s tribute. For the Epiphone the stock pickups don't get the Social Distortion tone right on they need to be more Hot, so look into the pickups I talked about. The 60s Gibson pickups maybe more hot than the Epiphone, so they may be alright as is. After I put the pickups into my Epiphone '56 Goldtop I had $800 in it.

You have options with the amps, remember tube amps come in small or big sizes and aren't to expensive. A tube amp will always sound better than any modeling amp. My Mustang is close but my Bassman is closer. A smaller watt tube amp will have the gain and crunch at a lower volume so that is something to think about. A bigger watt tube amp has to be turned up pretty loud to get overdrive, so dont rule out the smaller ones. Try before you buy.

But to answer your original question, I think the wampler blackface Bassman pedal will solve it for us. It's built after the Blackface circuit. Those Bassman tube amps you see in the stores like the 59 reissues won't really have what you're looking for because although it is a Bassman, the Blackface is a totally different design.

I would start off with a p90 guitar and look at some small Fender tube amps. Forgot to mention besides Fender being brighter sounding they are more chimey sounding also which is what Social D sound is, cranked bright and chimey.

Hope this helped.

 

[Nr2003man]

^ I signed up just to post my opinion on this very topic cause I do love them so and I know how frustrating searching for tone can be.

 

[Nr2003man]

I know it sounds dumb me having a blackface bassman and wanting a blackface pedal, not so. There are a few good reasons I want it such as not cranking my amp as loud sometimes and the other is to give the amp more bite with its different settings. My bassman sounds like Ball and Chain but listening to the pedal it has the Machine Gun Blues tone to it that I just can't do with my amp. With my amp on volume 6 and using the pedal cranked should be over the top. I plan to get a noise suppressor, the wampler pedal, and try my boss ds-1 with the wampler just to see what that does, but the noise suppressor and wampler are my main things. I read about it and others use that pedal on their bf bassman's to. They go good with deluxe reverbs and other Fenders also.