It's like tell us you don't know how to dial in a Mark without saying you don't know how to dial in a Mark (though I do think my treble on the IIC+ RI may be at like 9)
Treble control = gain
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It's like tell us you don't know how to dial in a Mark without saying you don't know how to dial in a Mark (though I do think my treble on the IIC+ RI may be at like 9)
Treble control = gain
LCW
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I like to think of the treble control on my IIC+ RI as the “aggression” control.
soul_lip_mike
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Is it just the metal grill that is different or other differences? Not being dense just not in the loop.
melomanic
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It's a half-closed cabinet that typically came with an EV12L in the bottom closed portion and a C90 in the top open portion. As others have said, C90s sound pretty bad in a closed back cabinet, and EVs don't punch as hard in an open back cabinet. But combined in this way, it's a fantastic blended sound.
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soul_lip_mike
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What is the verdict on the IIC reissue vs a modern mark such as the JP or Mark 7?
HeHasTheJazzHands
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The IIC seems closer to the real thing (brighter and aggressive) while the JP seems to sound darker and smoother? I haven't seen many comparisons with the 7 surprisingly but I haven't really looked, but it does seem like the JP2C isn't as close to the IIC+ as the reissue.
narad
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Just FWIW, I think it's kind of a misconception that they typically had EVMs in the bottom. It was certainly an option, but I feel like 80+% of them had all MC90s or MC90s and VS12s. Also 4xEVMs seemed about as common as the mix.
The JP2C is exactly what it was intended to clone, it and IIC+ reissue are based on two different versions of the IIC+ and the JP2C is also hard-wired to Petrucci's settings he runs on his 60/100. If you're looking to sound like Petrucci's settings on his IIC+ 60/100 then get that, if you're looking for a general-purpose simulclass IIC+ get the reissue.
HeHasTheJazzHands
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Thats my issue with the JP2C. Even though the IIC+ has less features on paper, there's more sculpting you can do with the sound, while the JP2C is pretty much hard wired to sound like what Petrucci likes. It's why I think the IIC+ is a better deal because you have to like that specific IIC+ sound if you want the JP2C, and he tends to dial his in to sound more smooth while I like mine to sound more on the aggressive end.
Got you, yeah it definitely depends on what you're looking for. All the modern marks sort of have that issue of fixed controls if you're looking for a specific IIC+ tone. I've owned the VII, JP2C, and the IIC+ reissue and they're all great amps, just different flavors. If you're looking for a specific IIC+ tone the reissue is your best bet. If you're looking for Petrucci IIC+ tone then go JP2C. If you're looking for a bunch of great tones in one box the VII is awesome, including the IIC+ mode, but compared to the reissue you have those fixed controls from the original setting the range.
melomanic
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Definitely agree. The last full-featured mark lead channel was on the Mark III. As awesome as the Mark IV is (being one of my all time favorites), it started removing features. You only get Fat and Bright. Sure they did add the Lead Voicing switch and Presence Shift toggle, which are great additions. But they should've kept the older toggles from the Mark III and before. The Mark V went even further: So long, Drive knob and Fat Mode! Terrible decisions.
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I have a 2022 JP2C with the newer tranny’s and a loaded DRG 1988 Mark III++ (former blue stripe) coming with a vintage 412 metal grill (C90s up top and VS12 bottom) and I’ll report my observations of both to this thread, maybe with some crappy video toanz. 
HeHasTheJazzHands
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I wouldn't be against Mesa doing a true 2-channel Mark with fully independent channels that keep all the tweaks and gimmicks of the original Marks 1 - 3. If sacrificing the crunch channel means getting 2 fully tweakable channels, worth it.
That or do a Mark IV but with a way better R2 and all the Mark IIC+/III goodies.
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FWIW, I can make the VII and IIC+ RI sound pretty much identical, but yeah, there is a lot more tweaking to be done on the RI than the VII within the bounds of the IIC+ sound profile. If you want to get the classic IIC+ thrash sound, you can get it on the VII. If you want some of the more obscure sounds, it probably will less available.
I go back and forth on whether I want to keep both of the amps, but I have a damn hard time letting go of either of them.
I go back and forth on whether I want to keep both of the amps, but I have a damn hard time letting go of either of them.
Dead-Pan
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I have the 7 and jp2c. The 2C has a mid range focus that is different.
Note, they were not spoiled in the same. They were dialed to be close in sound.
Marked Man
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I don't have the production numbers, but don't think 4 EVMs was a common thing from the factory. For staters, it would be heavier than a Cadillac, and it would also be very expensive, and capable of handling 800w. Overkill x 3.
EdgeCrusher
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I had 4x EVM cab with a fully sealed back that I found at GC used along with an 87 Mark III Red Stripe head back around 2005. It was ungodly heavy; I gigged with it for many years and it was such as pain in the ass to lug around. Sounded amazing though! I ended up selling it after the band broke up because it was indeed way overkill.
