Israel-Palestine escalation live: Gaza under bombardment after Hamas attack

[ramses]

Also worth a thought - we still don't know for sure who was responsible for the explosion at a hosital a month ago, but today there's zero doubt that Israel struck this particular hospital, seizing it by military force. The only remaining question is if they'll be able to provide decent evidence that it was a valid military target... but the Overton window has clearly shifted a bit.

This is a very disheartening statement.

We do know "for sure" that Islamic Jihad had a failed rocket landing on a parking lot close to the hospital. Even Gazan reporters agree on this, and they themselves sent pictures to the rest of the world of the parking lot.


Also, your second statement is trivially verifiable as wrong. They didn't attack the Shifa hospital, and there is a deluge of videos of how the Israelis are helping the hospital while they take out all the armament left behind from Hamas.



This is not hard. There is so much evidence from multiple sources — even anti-Jew sources support the above statements.


I give everyone the benefit of the doubt — so I will assume that you are being incredibly lazy, instead of something nefarious.

 

[StevenC]

Schrodinger's terrorist: so competent they can build underground fortresses and bomb targets 50 miles away; so incompetent they constantly miss and hit their own people.

Meanwhile, we know for a fact that Israel has done air strikes on ambulances.

Gaza: Unlawful Israeli Hospital Strikes Worsen Health Crisis

The Israeli military’s repeated, apparently unlawful attacks on medical facilities, personnel and transport are further destroying the Gaza Strip’s healthcare system and should be investigated as war crimes.

www.hrw.org

Why are all these human rights organisations so anti-Jew?

 

[soliloquy]

It's disheartening when IDF claimed Hamas killed babies, and the entire world was up and arms about it.

That evidence was never found.

Palestinians are showing countless babies dead at the hands of IDF and/or them cutting supplies/power/resources to the hospitals killing numerous other babies and children....

And nothing. Absolute silence.

 

[StevenC]

It's disheartening when IDF claimed Hamas killed babies, and the entire world was up and arms about it.

That evidence was never found.

Palestinians are showing countless babies dead at the hands of IDF and/or them cutting supplies/power/resources to the hospitals killing numerous other babies and children....

And nothing. Absolute silence.

IDF posting about delivering incubators to Gaza. Of course, the electricity is still off and there's no fuel for generators.

Hebrew speaking IDF posting pictures of boxes saying "MEDICAL SUPPLIES" supposedly for Arabic speaking Gazans. It's like a high school drama prop.

 

[ADADAD]

It's disheartening when IDF claimed Hamas killed babies, and the entire world was up and arms about it.

That evidence was never found.

I knew you were stupid after the "they could have gotten special forces to take out Hamas, similarly to how US took out Bin Laden" comment, but god damn.
Here you go buddy: https://www.hamas-massacre.net/

Schrodinger's terrorist: so competent they can build underground fortresses and bomb targets 50 miles away; so incompetent they constantly miss and hit their own people.

Meanwhile, we know for a fact that Israel has done air strikes on ambulances.

Gaza: Unlawful Israeli Hospital Strikes Worsen Health Crisis

The Israeli military’s repeated, apparently unlawful attacks on medical facilities, personnel and transport are further destroying the Gaza Strip’s healthcare system and should be investigated as war crimes.

www.hrw.org

Why are all these human rights organisations so anti-Jew?

https://www.timesofisrael.com/hamas-tried-to-send-fighters-to-egypt-in-ambulances-for-wounded-gazans-us-official/

Hamas operative boasts he ‘can leave with any ambulance,’ in call overheard by IDF

Shin Bet releases footage of captured terrorists describing group's use of ambulances, hospitals, school; IDF spokesperson says Hamas commander preventing evacuation of hospital

www.timesofisrael.com

IDF posting about delivering incubators to Gaza. Of course, the electricity is still off and there's no fuel for generators.

Hebrew speaking IDF posting pictures of boxes saying "MEDICAL SUPPLIES" supposedly for Arabic speaking Gazans. It's like a high school drama prop.

IDF says Gaza photos show half million liters of fuel held by Hamas

Through Arabic spokesman, military publishes images of tanks of fuel it says are being withheld from hospitals, tells Gazans they are not a priority for the terror group

www.timesofisrael.com

WATCH: Hamas blocks IDF fuel delivery to Gaza's Shifa Hospital

The IDF released three separate recordings of the event.

www.jpost.com

 

[soliloquy]

The fact that you resort to name-calling, and continue using biased sources that aren't proving what you think you're proving goes to show how little you actually know of this matter.

Disappointing how you've lost your humanity.

Carry on drowning in your hate.

 

[narad]

Carry on drowning in your hate.

Are we having a discussion or making up Arch Enemy lyrics?

 

[StevenC]

Israel: we're going to bomb Gaza, move south to Khan Younis

Also Israel: we're going to bomb Khan Younis

Is there a word or expression for this?

 

[soliloquy]

Israel: we're going to bomb Gaza, move south to Khan Younis

Also Israel: we're going to bomb Khan Younis

Is there a word or expression for this?

We know the word all too well.

We say it genocide.

They think the word we are looking for is Hamas. Think they have a language barrier?



Also this:

Gaza’s Water Crisis Puts Thousands at Risk of Preventable Death - occupied Palestinian territory

News and Press Release in English on occupied Palestinian territory about Water Sanitation Hygiene; published on 8 Nov 2023 by Anera

reliefweb.int

 

[mpexus]

Maybe the BBC is also Anti-Semite

 

[soliloquy]

this is a long video, but well made and researched into

 

[StevenC]

I knew you were stupid after the "they could have gotten special forces to take out Hamas, similarly to how US took out Bin Laden" comment, but god damn.
Here you go buddy: https://www.hamas-massacre.net/

https://www.timesofisrael.com/hamas-tried-to-send-fighters-to-egypt-in-ambulances-for-wounded-gazans-us-official/

Hamas operative boasts he ‘can leave with any ambulance,’ in call overheard by IDF

Shin Bet releases footage of captured terrorists describing group's use of ambulances, hospitals, school; IDF spokesperson says Hamas commander preventing evacuation of hospital

www.timesofisrael.com

IDF says Gaza photos show half million liters of fuel held by Hamas

Through Arabic spokesman, military publishes images of tanks of fuel it says are being withheld from hospitals, tells Gazans they are not a priority for the terror group

www.timesofisrael.com

WATCH: Hamas blocks IDF fuel delivery to Gaza's Shifa Hospital

The IDF released three separate recordings of the event.

www.jpost.com

Yeah, like, these are great rebuttals if your argument is that Hamas exists therefore Israel should have free reign to massacre civilians. But if you believe the value of a life isn't determined by race, religion, ethnicity, etc then these are non sequiturs.

Like, Israel are doing literal virtue signalling with the incubators and medical supplies. These things won't help. Gaza doesn't need incubators, they have incubators. The IDF bragging about delivering incubators to Gaza is literal propaganda. By your own admission, Hamas has stolen the fuel the hospitals need, so why are the IDF bringing supplies everyone knows they can't use?

 

[soliloquy]

This is terrifying

 

[ADADAD]

WATCH: Hamas blocks IDF fuel delivery to Gaza's Shifa Hospital

The IDF released three separate recordings of the event.

www.jpost.com

By your own admission, Hamas has stolen the fuel the hospitals need, so why are the IDF bringing supplies everyone knows they can't use?

???

Anyways, don't let me interrupt your circle-jerk with Mr. special forces

 

[StevenC]

???

Anyways, don't let me interrupt your circle-jerk with Mr. special forces

So... Why was the IDF bragging about bringing incubators to Gazans?

 

[ADADAD]

So... Why was the IDF bragging about bringing incubators to Gazans?

What are you on about? You wrote that hospitals lack fuel and blamed it on Israel. I provided sources showing Hamas is hoarding fuel and preventing the IDF from delivering fuel to hospitals. You then replied and complained that the IDF is bringing supplies that can't be used due to lack of fuel, that Israel is also bringing. What's your point?

 

[StevenC]

What are you on about? You wrote that hospitals lack fuel and blamed it on Israel. I provided sources showing Hamas is hoarding fuel and preventing the IDF from delivering fuel to hospitals. You then replied and complained that the IDF is bringing supplies that can't be used due to lack of fuel, that Israel is also bringing. What's your point?

You might be illiterate if you think you're doing good faith here. Just reread the post you replied to originally.

 

[Dudley]

Also, your second statement is trivially verifiable as wrong. They didn't attack the Shifa hospital, and there is a deluge of videos of how the Israelis are helping the hospital while they take out all the armament left behind from Hamas.



This is not hard. There is so much evidence from multiple sources — even anti-Jew sources support the above statements.

I mean… there’s also video evidence of people, specifically wounded people, women and children, trying to leave the hospital whilst waving white flags and being shot at by the IDF?

The only way you could classify this as being helpful is if you for some reason want to have your human rights violated and then be violently shuffled off this mortal coil…

To be fair though, that was earlier in the week. I have seen some fresh reports just this morning of some help actually being given in the hospital, namely regarding those 3 dozen premature babies, or at least the ones that haven’t been killed as a result of the IDF actions taken recently, but don’t know how much veracity is in them. It’d be genuinely great to hear that some assistance was being provided to at least some of the people in need, so fingers crossed this is the case. It is interesting to note though that contact with doctors and medical workers there is still severed so it really is relying on outright propaganda news releases at this point.

 

[StevenC]

Remember the time the IDF ran over and killed an American woman with a bulldozer while she was protesting them bulldozing Palestinian houses?

 

[Drew]

This is a very disheartening statement.

We do know "for sure" that Islamic Jihad had a failed rocket landing on a parking lot close to the hospital. Even Gazan reporters agree on this, and they themselves sent pictures to the rest of the world of the parking lot.


Also, your second statement is trivially verifiable as wrong. They didn't attack the Shifa hospital, and there is a deluge of videos of how the Israelis are helping the hospital while they take out all the armament left behind from Hamas.



This is not hard. There is so much evidence from multiple sources — even anti-Jew sources support the above statements.


I give everyone the benefit of the doubt — so I will assume that you are being incredibly lazy, instead of something nefarious.

Oh look, a pro-Israeli poster goes straight to suggesting anti-semitism!

If you're talking about the hospital parking lot that go struck early on in the war, Israel claims it was hit by a Palestinian rocket, but the NY Times did a pretty thorough analysis of the available video footage and concluded that, whatever hit the parking lot, it was not the rocket Israel claimed it was.

Israel has argued that the Shifa hospital was a major site for Hamas, but the evidence they're put forward so far was pretty limited - Randy's BBC video is a pretty good summary of the issues - they point to a hole near a MRI machine as a tunnel but only show the opening, they point to a few guns as proof it was a stockpile site but the number of guns change before their "unedited" walkthrough (that still has camera cuts) and the later press tour, etc.

If Hamas was operating out of this hospital, I'm sure it'll come out. But IMO you need a pretty high standard of evidence to strike a hospital, so Netanyahu is going to need a strong case here, and if he's arguing this was a major operational center for Hamas, that's going to take more than a dozen or so machine guns to prove. Honestly, the clearest piece of evidence in his support is the one you deny - that it certainly seems like someone was shooting back at the Israelis when they took the hospital.

On the flip side, security around the opening to what was allegedly an entrance to Hamas' tunnel network seemed, um, a little light, in the video footage, if there was even the remote possibility that Hamas could start pouring through it at a moment's notice.