How can I make this cheaper?

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  1. Kemono

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    Hi, everybody!

    So I’m back again, talking about how I want to build a guitar with that “wings” that go back towards the players body (my body).

    I found a builder. They build good stuff and they’re cool. So I want to build my guitar. The first estimate we got was $2700. That seems a little expensive. Next, they gave me a different estimate: $4100. That’s excessive.

    How can I make this cheaper?

    How can I get the price way down? The “config” is everything about the guitar of it hasn’t lasted. It’s basically a neck thru super strat.

    I can save $100 by buying used pick ups.

    item Price
    config $ 2,524.00
    add: CSL Sophia 292 w/tremstop $ 325.00
    add: scalloped frets, qty. 4 $ 60.00
    add: flamed maple neck through blank $ 410.00
    add: dimarzio tone zone $ 100.00
    add: dimarzio true velvet $ 80.00
    add: dimarzio air norton $ 100.00
    add: sophia headpiece chrome $ 179.00
    Subtotal $ 3,778.00
    shipping, local pickup $ -
    CA Tax $ 340.02
    Grand Total $ 4,118.02
     
  2. MaxOfMetal

    MaxOfMetal Likes trem wankery. Super Moderator

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    Ask the builder.
     
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    Basically what MaxOfMetal said, ask the builder, he can give you the best answer.

    But looking at your list i would assume there might be 2 options where you could save some money:
    1. Flamed maple is expensive, especially since you need a huge block for the neck through configuration. You might want to change this to normal maple, this should bring the $410 down considerably.
    2. To be honest i don`t know much about headless guitar hardware but the sophia hardware seems to be not so cheap (then again from pics this hardware seems high quality so the price seems to be fair). You might find cheaper headless hardware.

    In total i have to say, i don`t see much sense in you buying a custom guitar. You have to understand you are talking about a one-off custom guitar, just build for you, with all the details you specified. I just don`t see $4100 excessive for this (assuming of course the builder is able to deliver a good quality guitar and i would assume he does this for a living), heck there are enough production guitars that cost this much.
    Buying a custom guitar in my opinion only makes sense if you fulfill 2 requirements. You know exactly what you want and can specifiy all the details on a guitar to your liking. And you are prepared to spend a price premium on this. Otherwise you just should look for a production guitar that comes near to what you want.
     
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  4. budda

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    You want custom, you get to pay custom prices.
     
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    Without knowing the builder and the body/finish options, it's tough to say. If you're $2500 deep before neck wood options, maybe there are some body options to roll back.

    Also, just source your own pickups. Those pickups are ~$205 new if you buy them yourself and your scallops are covered by the savings (do you need scallops?). You're dropping $4k on a guitar and the builder still charges above retail on pickups? Kind of lame.
     
  6. TonyFlyingSquirrel

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    If you're paying for a handbuilt (Non-CNC) that's pretty much par for the course. Labor doesn't just mean his time, it also means his overhead, ie; space cost/insurance/taxes, etc...
    Small business owners have a tremendous amount of overhead.
     
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    KnightBrolaire Drink Sunny D, pet kitties.

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    good custom guitar or cheap custom.
    pick one, because you basically never get both
     
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    The only time you get both is buying someone else's good custom guitar.
     
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  9. Lemonbaby

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    Looks reasonable for a full custom build with expensive hardware. What are those "wings" you mentioned?
     
  10. Bearitone

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    Let go of the idea of a neck thru.
    It’s cheaper to make a bolt-on without any noticeable difference in “tone”. Seriously, neck thru in most cases is an unnecessary feature even for shredders.

    With that said, a full custom will always be more expensive than you hoped for.
     
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    ^Yeah- I mean, flamed maple necks look great, but if the body is going to have a top, the only person able to admire the wood choice is going to be the OP.
     
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    prlgmnr ...that kind of idea

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    A custom guitar with a completely unique one-off body shape? How much were you expecting?

    And do you at least have a napkin-scribble of this wings thing because it isn't coming across to me in text exactly what you mean, other than that it would probably be expensive to make.
     
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  13. Bearitone

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    Wait a second, @Kemono i remember your thread on guitar design and who can do it.

    Juat throwing this out there again, you can ask a builder to build you just the special “winged” body with a Fender Strat neck pocket.

    Then just buy a custom strat neck from Warmoth and slap it on there.

    That^^^ would be cheaper than a full custom
     
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  14. Kemono

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    Starting with a bolt on would be cheaper, so if I wanted to change about the shape, I could redo it.

    The photo uploaded shows the front view. I also need the side view (guitar tipped on its side), top view (nut down), bottom view (bridge up), and rear view.

    As a neck thru, how do I specify neck angle? I want the neck to have an angle

    Why I NEED a custom guitar:
     

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    This. Also why have the wings go back? towards your body? Is it for room for left hand while still keeping a normal look without chopping off the horns or making room for belly in the middle?
     
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    I'm going to just say, irrespective of everything else, do NOT pay in full until you have the guitar shipped. And pay by paypal with a credit card. I say that as someone who has been burned by a few respected luthiers who went MIA before delivering my guitar.
     
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    I still don’t understand. Is there a physical limitation here? Why is your guitar so low?

    What does that guitar in your picture do that a Strandberg doesn’t.
     
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    Look fugly, maybe?
     
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    Buy the NK Headless, then modify heavily to your liking.
     
  20. Bearitone

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    Lol fuckin savage :lol: they look good to me though.
    Out of the few ergonomic headless brands Strandberg are second only to Rick Toone’s guitars as far as aesthetics go imo
     
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