ATRguitar91
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It's just your standard tube screamer with some extra clipping options. I agree it sounds excellent. The default settings are pretty tame
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HeHasTheJazzHands
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The 2nd mode setting is the ideal setting for metal boosting on the Pillars. It's everything at 11 and then some. Most output, most tightness, most attack. It's what I was using to boost the 2203 until I figured out how to use the Horizon drive.
ATRguitar91
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I believe that's LED clipping, it's awesome. I run mine on that 2nd clipping, no gain, tone slightly up, level slightly up.
I think the Pillars sounds best when I replace it with the 808
thebeesknees22
SS.org Regular
alright, since @STRHelvete was asking for people to post patches, hear ya'll go. (hopefully the link works for you)
I was noodlin' around with the archetype
www.dropbox.com
- you may or may not want to bypass the compressor.
-Leave the sm57 as the main mic.
-2nd mic: if the 121 is too dark for your taste, then try swapping it with a 421 or 414. I'm not usually a fan of the 421, but it seemed to work on this. Or try the 160 for something thick, but not too thick.
-depending on your pickups: the gain can go anywhere from 1 for crunchy, 2.5 for heavy rock, 4 and above for something really gainy. I mostly keep it in the 2.5-ish range myself for doubled guitars.
No OD's used in that 'cause I'm just getting to where I don't like colored boosts. It's all eq's and compression.
anywho, I haven't tried this through my amps, just my monitors with helix native so I'm not sure how it translates.
if you have this in your DAW, it could probably use a notch at 2.2-ish to get rid of the whistling I seem to always get on every model. You'll notice it once doubled. I didn't put one in the patch because I can't get a notch tight enough without messing up the sound too much, but Pro q 3 or whatever can get tight enough and still be pretty transparent.
I was noodlin' around with the archetype
Dropbox
www.dropbox.com - you may or may not want to bypass the compressor.
-Leave the sm57 as the main mic.
-2nd mic: if the 121 is too dark for your taste, then try swapping it with a 421 or 414. I'm not usually a fan of the 421, but it seemed to work on this. Or try the 160 for something thick, but not too thick.
-depending on your pickups: the gain can go anywhere from 1 for crunchy, 2.5 for heavy rock, 4 and above for something really gainy. I mostly keep it in the 2.5-ish range myself for doubled guitars.
No OD's used in that 'cause I'm just getting to where I don't like colored boosts. It's all eq's and compression.
anywho, I haven't tried this through my amps, just my monitors with helix native so I'm not sure how it translates.
if you have this in your DAW, it could probably use a notch at 2.2-ish to get rid of the whistling I seem to always get on every model. You'll notice it once doubled. I didn't put one in the patch because I can't get a notch tight enough without messing up the sound too much, but Pro q 3 or whatever can get tight enough and still be pretty transparent.
I downloaded it and looked at the preset (didn't get a chance to play it yet). You have a lot going on in that preset!! I've never had to use EQs in my presets. I'm be curious to hear how it sounds. I'll definitely play with turning off/on those EQs to see what they add to the tone. Thanks for sharing!alright, since @STRHelvete was asking for people to post patches, hear ya'll go. (hopefully the link works for you)
I was noodlin' around with the archetype
Dropbox
- you may or may not want to bypass the compressor.
-Leave the sm57 as the main mic.
-2nd mic: if the 121 is too dark for your taste, then try swapping it with a 421 or 414. I'm not usually a fan of the 421, but it seemed to work on this. Or try the 160 for something thick, but not too thick.
-depending on your pickups: the gain can go anywhere from 1 for crunchy, 2.5 for heavy rock, 4 and above for something really gainy. I mostly keep it in the 2.5-ish range myself for doubled guitars.
No OD's used in that 'cause I'm just getting to where I don't like colored boosts. It's all eq's and compression.
anywho, I haven't tried this through my amps, just my monitors with helix native so I'm not sure how it translates.
if you have this in your DAW, it could probably use a notch at 2.2-ish to get rid of the whistling I seem to always get on every model. You'll notice it once doubled. I didn't put one in the patch because I can't get a notch tight enough without messing up the sound too much, but Pro q 3 or whatever can get tight enough and still be pretty transparent.
Oh, and I primarily use the Archon model day to day. Love that amp!
thebeesknees22
SS.org Regular
lol, i tried to kind of recreate what i do with my mt15, but the helix doesn't have a boss ge7 type eq so I just went with 2 10 band types instead.
You can try swapping out the post eq with the cali q if you want something broader as well. It may work better tbh
the compressors are in there because i sometimes have a hard time getting the same attack so that's to bring that out a bit on my duller sounding guitars. You may need to change the ratio or bypass that depending on what you're playing with.
cali q if you wanna try that with it really scooped. I think maybe i like that better, but who knows how i'll feel tomorrow lol. It may be too much.
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lattjeful
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Holy fuck somebody else who uses a compressor with high gain lol.alright, since @STRHelvete was asking for people to post patches, hear ya'll go. (hopefully the link works for you)
I was noodlin' around with the archetype
Dropbox
- you may or may not want to bypass the compressor.
-Leave the sm57 as the main mic.
-2nd mic: if the 121 is too dark for your taste, then try swapping it with a 421 or 414. I'm not usually a fan of the 421, but it seemed to work on this. Or try the 160 for something thick, but not too thick.
-depending on your pickups: the gain can go anywhere from 1 for crunchy, 2.5 for heavy rock, 4 and above for something really gainy. I mostly keep it in the 2.5-ish range myself for doubled guitars.
No OD's used in that 'cause I'm just getting to where I don't like colored boosts. It's all eq's and compression.
anywho, I haven't tried this through my amps, just my monitors with helix native so I'm not sure how it translates.
if you have this in your DAW, it could probably use a notch at 2.2-ish to get rid of the whistling I seem to always get on every model. You'll notice it once doubled. I didn't put one in the patch because I can't get a notch tight enough without messing up the sound too much, but Pro q 3 or whatever can get tight enough and still be pretty transparent.
THANK YOU.alright, since @STRHelvete was asking for people to post patches, hear ya'll go. (hopefully the link works for you)
I was noodlin' around with the archetype
Dropbox
- you may or may not want to bypass the compressor.
-Leave the sm57 as the main mic.
-2nd mic: if the 121 is too dark for your taste, then try swapping it with a 421 or 414. I'm not usually a fan of the 421, but it seemed to work on this. Or try the 160 for something thick, but not too thick.
-depending on your pickups: the gain can go anywhere from 1 for crunchy, 2.5 for heavy rock, 4 and above for something really gainy. I mostly keep it in the 2.5-ish range myself for doubled guitars.
No OD's used in that 'cause I'm just getting to where I don't like colored boosts. It's all eq's and compression.
anywho, I haven't tried this through my amps, just my monitors with helix native so I'm not sure how it translates.
if you have this in your DAW, it could probably use a notch at 2.2-ish to get rid of the whistling I seem to always get on every model. You'll notice it once doubled. I didn't put one in the patch because I can't get a notch tight enough without messing up the sound too much, but Pro q 3 or whatever can get tight enough and still be pretty transparent.
At least someone will in here. I know damn well y'all know how..quit hiding.
thebeesknees22
SS.org Regular
Maybe it's just me, but the one thing I feel like isn't quiiiite there with purely modeling (pure modeling, and not using a power amp. Just straight up modeling in a DAW) is something in the attack vs my real amps. And the only way I've been able to get closer to that is with a compressor in front so far.
Like the saturation and everything else, but the crispnessss just isn't quite there.
also with fresh ears this morning, i think i like my original eq vs the cali q I posted maybe a bit better, but the 125hz probably needs to come back up around 0dB. Unless I swap the 121 mic to something else a bit brighter, then the cali-q is pretty fun. ... I could probably noodle it to death between adjusting the eq and mic choices.
I used to feel the same, but once I eased off of the noise gate (in the input block) and allowed just a tiny bit of noise, and used zero noise gate in the chain, then it started feeling much better. YMMV though
Made a simple Vitriol chugging patch
HeHasTheJazzHands
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thebeesknees22
SS.org Regular
hey fellas, question. Maybe a dumb one. I dunno lol
so now that I have some real pedals, I'm wondering about order.
is it better to put boost in front with the guitar in, or to use an fx loop send/return for external pedals. I'm not sure if there's a difference in the loop I/O vs the guitar in
so now that I have some real pedals, I'm wondering about order.
is it better to put boost in front with the guitar in, or to use an fx loop send/return for external pedals. I'm not sure if there's a difference in the loop I/O vs the guitar in
HeHasTheJazzHands
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IME with my HX stomp the loops got super fucking noisy in front of a high gain model. So I always went straight in.
thebeesknees22
SS.org Regular
ew gross. Ok cool
I used to have a real bad noisy problem with my old m13 as well when using it's fx loop. Not sure why. It was like everything would sound like it was in a tin can. Seems to be a common them with line6 though I suppose.
AwakenTheSkies
Life is like a box of chocolates
I wish that they would improve the IR/cabs section, specially in regards to volume. I’d like to mix my mics levels without the volume being affected, it’s way easier to get a good IR mix like that. Sort of how Cab Lab 4 and Ignite Libra does it. And to be able to use more than 2 IRs at the same time.
Also a parametric EQ with more bands for surgical cuts especially, now I use like 3 parametric EQ blocks on each high gain preset.
Also a parametric EQ with more bands for surgical cuts especially, now I use like 3 parametric EQ blocks on each high gain preset.
