Good, Unbiased Comparison Between Kahler & Floyd Rose Vibratos

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  1. Durero

    Durero prototyping... Contributor

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    I found this set of reviews to be really informative, helpful and thorough...

    and to clarify: by 'resistance' he means string breakage, and by 'vibrato' he means the flutter effect





     
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    Cool comparison. I could imagine on a less civilized board this would start a fight. :lol:
     
  3. Desecrated

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    I would like to see a comparison between the kahler and the licensed floyd rose that comes with other bc richs models :D
     
  4. thadood

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    I was expecting them to come out even, or even the Kahler a point ahead. I didn't really know that the Kahler had some of those weaknesses.

    I think that for my trem usage, I'd be thrilled with a Kahler. I don't use a trem much at all. The fixed bridge option being changeable right up top wins me over.

    It seems that Kahler is a much better system in theory, but with all the things that Kahler does better over FR's, it caused it to lack in other areas. Could be a case of over engineering.
     
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    darren Decibel Guitars Forum MVP

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    It definitely gives the user a good set of criteria by which to evaluate the two bridge systems. Each has its fans and devotees, based on its strengths and weaknesses. Having owned and played both, i think they're both excellent bridges. The Kahler is smoooooth and fluid, and the Floyd is rock-solid.
     
  7. JJ Rodriguez

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    That string bending problem totally killed my GAS for a Kahler equipped axe, unless of course it's an 8 string and I have to. I'm not a huge string bender, but what if you're doing bends during your rhythm work and you don't really feel like diving? That totally sucks.
     
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    i never had this string bending problem on my old kahler equipped Charvel (just brought it out of it's long slumber to check :)) :shrug:. i'm hoping this isn't a quirk with newer kahlers... if so, i might have to reconsider the kahler that will be on my KxK Sii-7, as wide vibrato bending is a huge part of my style.
    a buddy of mine just had a new Kahler installed on one of his old mockingbird sixers, i'll have to give that a test run.
     
  9. Metal Ken

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    I never about the string bending issue on Kahlers.
    I was watching that thinking "Man, if someone combined the stability of a floyd and the cam principle from the Kahler..." Then i realized i have a S7320.
     
  10. Durero

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    ^ :agreed: ZR ftw - if only it could be used for multi-scale guitars :(
     
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    darren Decibel Guitars Forum MVP

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    You used to be able to get a "heavy springs and bar" kit for Kahlers that made them a whole lot stiffer, more like a Floyd feel.

    And FWIW, before locking my JP7's bridge down with a Tremol-No, it would sag forward when bending as well.

    And i'm sure if you really watch your Floyd, it will do the same as well, especially if you use heavy strings and 3 springs.
     
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    That was great. :yesway:
     
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    I'd rather see Edge Pro vs ZR vs Floyd.

    Very interesting comparison though.
     
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    Yeah, the whole trem on ANYTHING will pull the other strings out of tune while you do the bend, but on the Kahler it's putting the string you bend out of tune when you're done playing, until you do a dive. A floyd doesn't do that.
     
  15. Durero

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    Yeah the videos illustrate a problem with Kahlers returning to pitch after a string bend. It would be great to hear from Josh from Kahler if there are any solutions to this issue.
     
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    A ZR manages to pull enough on its own that doing bends on the top 3 strings doesnt make them go out of tune. Pulling on the low strings will drop the pitch on the others though.
     
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    I can't buy a ZR 7 separately though :lol:

    Can you flutter a ZR?
     
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    If you take out the bar thats on the second set of springs, yes.
     
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    But then don't you lose some stability? I'm not %100 on how the ZR works. Or would you just lose the ability to do bends in tune?
     

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