Female guitarists on Only Fans. Not sure if it is a good or bad thing....

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Bad Bahbie (spelling?) reportedly earned $52 million dollars on only fans and her content has no nudity.

AFAIK Only fans is known for giving creators full freedom and allegedly takes a lower cut.

It’s business. And for OP I respect you being introspective about understanding your own “why” as to why it seemed to bother you.

I remember reading about a model who put $$$ into the photo content she creates. She was putting in between $20k-40k a month to create content, so clearly she was banking even more than that net.

Some people write songs other people sell nudity. If it’s not good no one will buy it.
 

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OnlyFans is just an extension of Patreon, which is an extension of GoFundMe. I'd argue OnlyFans is the only one of the three that has some guaranteed value for the supporter attached to it.

I forget who it was but there was a musician out there that said you shouldn't be ashamed to "shake the can", meaning much of music as a career is like busking. Using your art to live, which is in itself humbling. In that sense, I don't think an OnlyFans is especially demeaning (or should be, anyway) a supplement to your craft.
 

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So the guitarist I’m talking about is Sonia Anubis (stage name). She’s in Cobra Spell and was in a couple of other bands. It just caught me off guard, as she has never really pushed that part of her persona online. And I don’t know if it’s nude, but the description DEFINITELY sounds that way.

Oddly, it’s in contrast to Kiki Wong, who does portray her self in a sultry way online, but who has a non-nude (I think, based on the description) onlyfans.

I was mainly curious if this would have a short term positive impact, but long term negative impact. For instance, it’s exceptionally hard for porn actors (male and female) to be taken seriously, and cross over into, traditional film and TV.

And I also wondered if this is an American thing, because Americans are particularly conservative when it comes to sex and nudity, but liberal when it comes to violence. It’s super obvious in our movie rating system, and our current book banning. (I can’t believe I’m typing “current book banning” in 2022, but here we are.)
I suspect that maybe in other countries it’s less of a big deal.

Anyway, the description on Sonia’s page took me back, because I guess I just made a bunch of assumptions about her which were totally wrong. And that says more about me than anything else.
 

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If she can convince someone to send her money for something that she's got going for her, that's perfectly fine and dandy.

Having known two girls that have gone into this kind of work, it's opening up a whole can of worms with unhealthy expectations and stalkers. Let's say this gets both her personal and band's popularity rising. Is she going to be comfortable interacting with the same people face to face that show up to her shows that only know her and fantasize about her from her onlyfans content? One of the girls I know no longer advertises when she goes to conventions because of bad interactions with fans that don't respect real life boundaries or think they know her through her "adult content persona"
 

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Youtube and insta comments on female guitarists just go to show you, creeps gonna creep. Being in Japan I have to deal with this stuff a lot - like AKB48 stuff has basically given Japan 0 music credibility. People by albums to get tickets to hand-shake events, sometimes buying like 10 copies of the same CD. It's pathetic But it's the guys that are pathetic. Props to anyone who can turn some hustle into a sustainable career in music. In aggregate in Japan it's probably had a very negative effect on actual music talent and women's rights and objectification, but that's because it's the mainstream.
 

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Dont know if onlyfans allows comments but for a female player would be a relief to put out content without having to deal with weirdos on the comment section
 

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I find it disappointing how female guitarists/musicians are seen online now. A lot of musicians like Sarah Longfield worked hard and spoke out about objectification and being seen as females that play guitar rather than guitarists who happen to be female. It was going well until guitar audiences moved to Instagram/TikTok where the emphasis is on the video rather than the music and a lot of females were able to take full advantage of that.

A female musician will get 100 times the reach of a guy, if you’re pretty then you can get 10 times that if you are prepared to target the thirsty male audience. I see guys jealous of the reach they get but that kind of audience comes with creeps who will stalk you and aggressive guys who will leave disgusting comments. Not to mention all the thirsty comments. Often this kind of audience doesn’t translate to music sales so they have to pursue other income avenues.

Making guitar videos is hard enough, if you want to add extra steps like ironing your clothes, putting on makeup and rehearsing a dance/facial expression routine then hats off for adding another level of difficulty and having the confidence to go through with it.

The music industry is getting tougher every year so people are going to jump on opportunities to make a living. Short term it gives a lot of females opportunities in the music industry. Long term it pushes a negative image where they aren’t taken seriously and an audience that thinks it’s ok to view them sexually and leave comments without consequence. Adding OnlyFans to that mix only enforces a lot of those guys opinions but do what you have to do to make a living. Life is getting expensive!
 

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I'm sure this guitarist has weighed all of the pro's & con's of the idea and made their decision. They know their fanbase and they know their own tolerance with what of themselves they'll put out there.
 

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I find it disappointing how female guitarists/musicians are seen online now. A lot of musicians like Sarah Longfield worked hard and spoke out about objectification and being seen as females that play guitar rather than guitarists who happen to be female. It was going well until guitar audiences moved to Instagram/TikTok where the emphasis is on the video rather than the music and a lot of females were able to take full advantage of that.

A female musician will get 100 times the reach of a guy, if you’re pretty then you can get 10 times that if you are prepared to target the thirsty male audience. I see guys jealous of the reach they get but that kind of audience comes with creeps who will stalk you and aggressive guys who will leave disgusting comments. Not to mention all the thirsty comments. Often this kind of audience doesn’t translate to music sales so they have to pursue other income avenues.

Making guitar videos is hard enough, if you want to add extra steps like ironing your clothes, putting on makeup and rehearsing a dance/facial expression routine then hats off for adding another level of difficulty and having the confidence to go through with it.

The music industry is getting tougher every year so people are going to jump on opportunities to make a living. Short term it gives a lot of females opportunities in the music industry. Long term it pushes a negative image where they aren’t taken seriously and an audience that thinks it’s ok to view them sexually and leave comments without consequence. Adding OnlyFans to that mix only enforces a lot of those guys opinions but do what you have to do to make a living. Life is getting expensive!
Yeah, sucks for those women that were trying to gain legitimacy for "JUST THE MUSIC" and now have all this getting all the attention. But oh well. New rock music's basically dead right now so I think that pretty much IS the only way to get attention. I don't begrudge them for doing it, but I do think it sucks for women that can't get away with it and makes them even more marginalized if that becomes the way that women are expected to get into the industry again like it was in the bad old days.

Speaking of which, it seems like the majority of videos that facebook has tried to spam at me for MONTHS are just "hot chick plays drums or guitar in short shorts." I've never ONCE clicked on one and I think Sarah Longfield, Tori Amos and Joanna Newsom are the only female musicians I follow, but yet it's relentless. So I can only assume those videos are what's getting all the clicks nationwide and thus what everyone is getting spammed with. I'm guessing they're playing Sweet Child Of Mine or some other bland cover based on how little the videos emphasize how they're playing but I don't know cause I never clicked :p
 

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Sex work is work.

What's the difference between that and selling your body as a labourer on a construction site?

Plenty of musicians have to have second jobs because society doesn't value artistic endeavours. All of your favourite musicians had another job that was paying the bills before they made it, and some long after they made it because even that doesn't pay the bills.

What's the difference between OnlyFans and Misha streaming videogames for money?

And don't give me some moral justification. What's the difference between OnlyFans and Misha endorsing scammers like BRJ or Pro Tone?

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(I don't mean to go after bulb specifically. Throw Tosin in there. Throw Fredrik Thordendal in there. Throw Steve Vai in there. All musicians do it because music doesn't pay very well and we hold them to the standard of starving for their art.)
 

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Sex work is work.

What's the difference between that and selling your body as a labourer on a construction site?

Plenty of musicians have to have second jobs because society doesn't value artistic endeavours. All of your favourite musicians had another job that was paying the bills before they made it, and some long after they made it because even that doesn't pay the bills.

What's the difference between OnlyFans and Misha streaming videogames for money?

And don't give me some moral justification. What's the difference between OnlyFans and Misha endorsing scammers like BRJ or Pro Tone?

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(I don't mean to go after bulb specifically. Throw Tosin in there. Throw Fredrik Thordendal in there. Throw Steve Vai in there. All musicians do it because music doesn't pay very well and we hold them to the standard of starving for their art.)

Well one ends with something being, y'know, BUILT, whereas the other ends with a bunch of guys giving themselves the ol' thigh-pie cause they couldn't get their jeans around their ankles in time. There's plenty of other jobs that musicians can work as a second job besides letting people ogle their bodies after years of other musicians working their asses off to play and saying "I'm more than just my body."
 

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Sex work is work.

What's the difference between that and selling your body as a labourer on a construction site?

Plenty of musicians have to have second jobs because society doesn't value artistic endeavours. All of your favourite musicians had another job that was paying the bills before they made it, and some long after they made it because even that doesn't pay the bills.

What's the difference between OnlyFans and Misha streaming videogames for money?

And don't give me some moral justification. What's the difference between OnlyFans and Misha endorsing scammers like BRJ or Pro Tone?

--

(I don't mean to go after bulb specifically. Throw Tosin in there. Throw Fredrik Thordendal in there. Throw Steve Vai in there. All musicians do it because music doesn't pay very well and we hold them to the standard of starving for their art.)
Uhh... one is literally destroying their body, using physical skills to create an end goal, a built structure for people to use. The other is just showing off their body for money in the comfort of their own home. There's no comparison.

Someone using OnlyFans (with nudity) to make money in the music field and a starving artist pushing scam builders are two completely different things. With that said, both equally shitty in my eyes.
 

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Well one ends with something being, y'know, BUILT, whereas the other ends with a bunch of guys giving themselves the ol' thigh-pie cause they couldn't get their jeans around their ankles in time. There's plenty of other jobs that musicians can work as a second job besides letting people ogle their bodies after years of other musicians working their asses off to play and saying "I'm more than just my body."
Meh. I used to be mega-prudish about women using sex to sell music (especially being in a band with a woman, myself) but it's a cliche just like all the cliches men use (misogyny, satanism, violence) to also appeal to a base instinct of their audience. It would be great if you could sell music or make a living wearing a T-shirt and jeans but we know people like their music wrapped in something else. For some musicians, the "something else" is sex.

The other thing you're referencing is a little different; the idea of using your body or sex then saying "I'm more than a sex object". Which is technically still true, but silly.

Reminds me of guitarists speeding up their playing. I don't mind it at all because to me what matters is the product and sometimes speeding things up is necessary to get the sound you're after. That's different than speeding up your playing, lying about it and being obstinate because people say you sped your playing up.

Wanting all the benefits, then acknowledging there's a stigma by lying that's what you did (because you want any of the negative perceptions that come with it) is a different discussion.
 

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All I can say is that if my singer finds out Sonia Anubis has an OnlyFans account he'll be throwing money at his computer screen in seconds. :lol:

A quick Google search revealed she's indeed posting nude content. What can I say... Some guitarists put their name on gear from scam companies to make money out of fans. Some others appear nude on camera. Pick your poison :shrug:
 
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Meh. I used to be mega-prudish about women using sex to sell music (especially being in a band with a woman, myself) but it's a cliche just like all the cliches men use (misogyny, satanism, violence) to also appeal to a base instinct of their audience. It would be great if you could sell music or make a living wearing a T-shirt and jeans but we know people like their music wrapped in something else. For some musicians, the "something else" is sex.

The other thing you're referencing is a little different; the idea of using your body or sex then saying "I'm more than a sex object". Which is technically still true, but silly.

Reminds me of guitarists speeding up their playing. I don't mind it at all because to me what matters is the product and sometimes speeding things up is necessary to get the sound you're after. That's different than speeding up your playing, lying about it and being obstinate because people say you sped your playing up.

Wanting all the benefits, then acknowledging there's a stigma by lying that's what you did (because you want any of the negative perceptions that come with it) is a different discussion.

I'm just not sure why OF/camming always seems to be the default now as their "job" when there's plenty of other valid jobs you can do before hitting that that still allows you to be in a band.

I'll state up front, and this is going to be painted pretty broadly to many I'm sure, but I find camming/OF/etc to just be the newest version of people trying to be Youtube stars. I understand you do have to put in work to make yourself a name in that scene/community, but even still, at the end of the day the end result of you work is just ...being on cam and getting off a lot? In my mind, it's just a bit sad that that's the reality people are aspiring to: I just want people to look at my body online and get off to it for money. I remember growing up a lot of people used to joke like, if they couldn't do anything it was, "well I can always do porn!" but that's not always the reality.

As for speeding up music/writing what you can't play, I think that's fine as long as you're up front and honest about it - at that point it's about the composition and not necessarily playing it live. If you're trying to do it live and it's well above your level, then don't be surprised if there's backlash afterwards (see: every SSO flavor of the month band that's happened to), but for the casual fan not seeing it live won't be a big deal as it doesn't mean the actual product (the album/songs) don't exist.
 

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Uhh... one is literally destroying their body, using physical skills to create an end goal, a built structure for people to use. The other is just showing off their body for money in the comfort of their own home. There's no comparison.

Someone using OnlyFans (with nudity) to make money in the music field and a starving artist pushing scam builders are two completely different things. With that said, both equally shitty in my eyes.
Except, this is using sex work to supplement income. Not to sell music, but to afford to make music.

Why is being a sex worker wrong in your eyes?
 

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I don't see the problem. So many female musicians are objectified online as it is, why not celebrate that they feel empowered to make money from it?

Honestly, if I didn't look like a sasquatch and could make money from my appearance, I probably would. At least here in the States, there are so few safety nets, and artists are treated as expendable.

I heard a joke a few years ago asking about what the male equivalent is of "if this doesn't work, I'll just become a stripper", and the answer was join the Army. Which I did. Who am I to pass judgement?
 

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I don't see the problem. So many female musicians are objectified online as it is, why not celebrate that they feel empowered to make money from it?

Honestly, if I didn't look like a sasquatch and could make money from my appearance, I probably would. At least here in the States, there are so few safety nets, and artists are treated as expendable.

I heard a joke a few years ago asking about what the male equivalent is of "if this doesn't work, I'll just become a stripper", and the answer was join the Army. Which I did. Who am I to pass judgement?
I wish I'd been a stripper rather than joined the army in hindsight. Would've made way better money. :lol:
 

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It's probably a good self-test for your inner conservative prudishness

Should an artist in these hard times:
1) Use sex appeal and her existing popularity to make money AND advertise her music too while she's at it
2) Devote less time to music and get a "real job" (which wouldn't advertise her music)
3) Find a sugar daddy

Btw, just wondering, how is this any different from all those barechested fools in spandex selling posters in the 80s? Or is that somehow different because it is suggestive male photos targeted at closet gay kids and fangirls?
 


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