Truck nutzTime to put some rims, ground effects, and a system up in that bitch playa!
EVs vs ICEs
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TedEH
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Nah, it's a Kona. Ioniq 5 looks much more spaceship-y, especially from the back. Going from something 15 years old to just about anything new-ish feels like driving a spaceship though.
spudmunkey
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The Hyundai Kona is the one we'd buy today if we were in the market. Its twin, the Kia Niro is just a bit longer, only by about 6", but that 6" would mean it would stick into the sidewalk a little from our driveway. Congrats!
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spudmunkey
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Still a decade away from being in production in scales large enough to make a difference to the consumer market, but very cool stuff. I had no idea there were some already in use in busses somewhere, which is pretty cool.
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TedEH
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When I read "gasoline superusers", I picture it being, at least partly, the kinds of people to complain that the Mach-E is "not a real Mustang and an insult to the brand" while taking their oversized pickups all over town to do everything they could have just as easily done on foot.
It is both of those things but that has nothing to do with it being electric
When word came there was going to be an electric Mustang I was hoping for Mustang styling with all wheel drive Tesla performance... instead we got a half-assed crossover that should have never had a Mustang badge on it.
spudmunkey
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Same. Though I also remember being a bit "wtf?" when Mitsubishi brought back the Eclipse as a crossover in 2017, but even more so when the Charger was brought back in 2006 as a sedan. 😅It is both of those things but that has nothing to do with it being electric
StevenC
Javier Strat 7 2024
Crossovers and SUVs just shouldn't exist, and you should need a farming license to purchase a pickup.
TedEH
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I don't understand the SUV hate - especially from a musician community. Having enough space to cart bass cabs and drum kits around has been a life-saver.
I think the idea is that most folks buy cars because they're cool or think they make them look cool vs. having a legitimate use case.
For every person who has a huge family to transport or tons of work tools or whom is a professional drag racer there are plenty who just want a Yukon Denali, F350, and Dodge Demon because they're cool as fuck.
StevenC
Javier Strat 7 2024
Yeah, I mean a van is just better at all that. I can fit a drum kit, amps and guitars into my Berlingo with no hassle, and seat three.
Our old Ford Galaxy could sit four or five with almost as much gear, but a larger crew van would be better for a band purpose. Could also remove 5 of 7 seats. Our old Grand Cherokee couldn't remove its seats and would be a pain to lift amps into.
My complaint of the SUV is aimed squarely at it replacing the conventional people carrier/mini van. Which is just an objectively better vehicle for all the things listed.
TedEH
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To me, the whole point of the SUV was that you had some of that extra capacity without the need to be always driving a monstrous vehicle around. If I'm only going to use that capacity 5% of the time, having a full-sized van feels more wasteful than a slightly-larger-and-boxier-than-a-sedan type of car.
IMO the Ford Escape I had (technically still have but I'm selling it) was a great form factor for general use: big enough to be useful (moving gear, helping people move, going camping, carrying people around), but still small enough to avoid the "why are you driving a monster truck around to commute and get groceries" thing. If you go smaller, you lose the practicality. If you go bigger, it's more wasteful most of the time. It feels like a very generally useful form factor for a lot of people.
Having "downgraded" to a smaller vehicle, I'm actually worried that, despite still being in the "crossover" size, it's not quite going to be able to carry what I used to.
IMO the Ford Escape I had (technically still have but I'm selling it) was a great form factor for general use: big enough to be useful (moving gear, helping people move, going camping, carrying people around), but still small enough to avoid the "why are you driving a monster truck around to commute and get groceries" thing. If you go smaller, you lose the practicality. If you go bigger, it's more wasteful most of the time. It feels like a very generally useful form factor for a lot of people.
Having "downgraded" to a smaller vehicle, I'm actually worried that, despite still being in the "crossover" size, it's not quite going to be able to carry what I used to.
You're more or less describing "crossovers" and not what would generally be considered an SUV.
When I think SUV I'm thinking Explorer/Tahoe sized stuff, not tall wagons.
TedEH
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I've never thought of a Ford Escape to be a "tall wagon". Especially not the older boxy-looking ones. Maybe the newer ones, 'cause they rounded em' out and made them look more like weird crossover things, but I was talking the old boxy ones. Mine was an '08, while they still looked truck-ish. But then, vehicle sizes are all pretty vague. I'd have put Explorer + Escape in the same category, just with the Explorer being bigger.
Either way, call it a crossover or SUV, they all get hated on for whatever reason. The original comment even said crossover in it. Then again, it is the year or our lawd 2023, and the internet will hate on any choice you make just because they can.
Either way, call it a crossover or SUV, they all get hated on for whatever reason. The original comment even said crossover in it. Then again, it is the year or our lawd 2023, and the internet will hate on any choice you make just because they can.
jaxadam
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Thursday is NBATD (new big ass tires day) for my BAT (big ass truck).
I mean, SUVs are just trucks with cabins where the bed would be. That's what Explorers and Suburbans were. Big, body on frame trucks.
The old first gen Escapes were based on the same front wheel drive platform the Mazda 626 sedan used, just elongated slightly. Each iteration followed the same principle.
No one cares you drove an old tall wagon. When folks talk about gas guzzling SUVs they mean big old luxury trucks and when they throw crossovers in its usually stretched out "tough minivans."
Robslalaina
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Meanwhile in Europe, here is what I drive. Not the exact same though, I got leather seats. You read that right!
2,414 lbs and 107 hp. You read that right, too!
Seriously though, it is 23 years old so very soon I'll no longer be able to go wherever I want with it, at least not in certain city centres or metro areas
Plus apparently it is less frowned up to change cars every 3 years after each lease than to keep one of these little guys running - still can't wrap my head around that, but I'm no climate specialist.
2,414 lbs and 107 hp. You read that right, too!
Seriously though, it is 23 years old so very soon I'll no longer be able to go wherever I want with it, at least not in certain city centres or metro areas
Plus apparently it is less frowned up to change cars every 3 years after each lease than to keep one of these little guys running - still can't wrap my head around that, but I'm no climate specialist.
TedEH
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Maybe different markets use these terms differently. My Kona is considered a "subcompact SUV" if you follow the marketing, but it's definitely closer to a sedan than anything I'd normally call an SUV. My old Escape on the other hand was big enough that people would colloquially call it a truck (not literally, but hey, they wanted to believe - 'cause trucks are "manly" or whatever).
Either way - my point was that "something bigger than a sedan but smaller than a truck or van" has its utility (even if you refuse to call it a "utility" vehicle).
Either way - my point was that "something bigger than a sedan but smaller than a truck or van" has its utility (even if you refuse to call it a "utility" vehicle).
