Did Randy Blythe Actually Kill That Guy?

[/wrists]

I'm curious what SSO thinks.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Randy_Blythe_manslaughter_case

I remember this being a headline when I was in high school or so...

I know he's technically not guilty, but at the same time it seems like he most definitely pushed someone off the stage.

I didn't really follow the case back then, I'm not sure if anyone even remembers this.

On March 5, 2013, the court delivered a verdict, according to which Blythe was not criminally liable for Nosek's death, even though he had the moral responsibility for it. Consequently, the court dismissed the damages claim and ordered the return of Blythe's bail.[6]

The court held that it was proven that Blythe had thrown Nosek off the stage. However, Blythe, due to his nearsightedness, could have mistaken Nosek for the other fan who had repeatedly gotten over the guardrail. According to the court, the largest part of the blame lies with the promoters and security members. Judge Kubovec further reproached Blythe for not having met with the Nosek family.[6]

The State Attorney announced that he would appeal the verdict

Weak sauce and convoluted. Either he's guilty, and he's responsible from a criminal and moral perspective, or he's not guilty, and he's not responsible for either perspectives.

Thoughts?

 

[Kaura]

Jesus, can't belive 13 years have passed since this case. I've never been really into LoG but remember this being a pretty big case back in the day. Technically, he pushed the dude to death but in no way it was Blythe's intention to hurt or at least kill him. It was the dude's own fault for getting up on the stage. But I can't blame him either since getting up on the stage is pretty usual for metal gigs. Just a series of sad mistakes from all the parties.

 

[narad]

I mean...it's all there in the wikipedia. Yes, his actions caused the guy's death. Not sure what else there is to say about it.

 

[/wrists]

I mean...it's all there in the wikipedia. Yes, his actions caused the guy's death. Not sure what else there is to say about it.

Specifically, this part left me a bit dubious.

A defense-appointed expert witness in the field of biomechanics testified on March 5 that Nosek could not turn 180 degrees during the fall and that should he be falling forward, he could not have sustained an injury to the back of his head.[6] He further said that if Nosek fell over the first row of the fans, he must have been not only pushed, but must have jumped himself.[6] The State Attorney immediately attacked this testimony, claiming that the expert witness omitted the conditions at the place and time, as well as some of the eyewitness testimonies, according to which Nosek fell onto his back from the beginning and did not turn during the fall.[6] The presiding judge agreed with the State Attorney on some of his points.[6]

In his closing speech, the State Attorney asked the court to incarcerate Blythe for 5 years,[6] claiming that "even children in the kindergarten are aware that a fall from height may lead to an injury."[71]

Etc, but I understand this could just be a cover his ass kind of argument etc.

 

[Demiurge]

I'm curious what SSO thinks.

IIRC back then, Blythe had said negative things about djent, like, a few weeks before it happened, so most wanted him drawn & quartered.

 

[/wrists]

Jesus, can't belive 13 years have passed since this case. I've never been really into LoG but remember this being a pretty big case back in the day. Technically, he pushed the dude to death but in no way it was Blythe's intention to hurt or at least kill him. It was the dude's own fault for getting up on the stage. But I can't blame him either since getting up on the stage is pretty usual for metal gigs. Just a series of sad mistakes from all the parties.

I stopped going to concerts with the intention to join mosh pits etc when I was actually aware that it could potentially be life threatening.

When I was younger, didn't really think about it.

 

[/wrists]

IIRC back then, Blythe had said negative things about djent, like, a few weeks before it happened, so most wanted him drawn & quartered.

In general, I don't really take anything Blythe says very seriously, but I do remember him saying something about "this new metal shit is dying out and real metal is coming back" in the Killadelphia album (which is where they peaked imo), but then he was in another interview where he was downplaying his role as a vocalist and said something along the lines of "i get paid to act like a monkey on stage it's great" or some shit and I lost all respect for the guy.

How Randy Blythe Learned to Scream: It Was a Joke at First

'Never ever ever ever did I take it seriously,' says Blythe.

loudwire.com

seemed pretentious

 

[HeHasTheJazzHands]

This thread is weird lol.

 

[JoeyJoJoJrShabadoo]

If the kid survived but killed someone else by jumping into them, would they be responsible?

It's just a horrible, awful accident.

Call me an old man or whatever, but nothing pisses me off more at a show than getting crowdsurfed on. I'm standing at the front to enjoy the show up close and avoid the moshing behind me, which is usually easily doable. Crowdsurfers give me absolutely no choice but have their sweaty ass dragged over the back of my neck and head. Fuck off. And before anyone suggests I stand somewhere else - no. I'm not hurting anyone by being the person at the front, and I paid for my ticket to be there. I didn't pay to have someone surf over the top of me and in one instance get kicked in the face when security have to pull them down safely.

Security shouldn't be allowing crowndsurfing and stage diving anyway. Just avoid this potentially happening by not letting it happen.

 

[/wrists]

If the kid survived but killed someone else by jumping into them, would they be responsible?

It's just a horrible, awful accident.

Call me an old man or whatever, but nothing pisses me off more at a show than getting crowdsurfed on. I'm standing at the front to enjoy the show up close and avoid the moshing behind me, which is usually easily doable. Crowdsurfers give me absolutely no choice but have their sweaty ass dragged over the back of my neck and head. Fuck off. And before anyone suggests I stand somewhere else - no. I'm not hurting anyone by being the person at the front, and I paid for my ticket to be there. I didn't pay to have someone surf over the top of me and in one instance get kicked in the face when security have to pull them down safely.

Security shouldn't be allowing crowndsurfing and stage diving anyway. Just avoid this potentially happening by not letting it happen.

This is fair enough. I just didn't really know why the case got lost in obscurity (is how I see it). But in this case, I guess it makes sense that it was an accident etc. I just wonder if it would've been a case that was even more scrutinized in the US. I also want to say, that venue probably learned their lesson. I don't think security is usually the best arbiter in these cases even if it's their job. I sometimes wonder if their job is to make sure the artists are safe or if the crowd is safe, or maybe both or maybe if they prioritize one over another etc.

It's also like that with the whole Oli Herbert case.

Just random deaths and no one responsible. (Obviously they're inherently different cases, but it makes me question things)

 

[MetalDestroyer]

This thread is weird lol.

Evade is back and he came out the gates swinging

 

[CanserDYI]

How did I know this would be a evade/wrists thread.

 

[John]

This thread is weird lol.

Threads that are violently SSO-esque.

 

[/wrists]

I feel like some of you have an impression about how I am inclined to post because of certain issues we've disagreed upon in the past so you already have some sort of undertone aimed at my threads lol.

I personally would prefer to keep things civil and productive.

This was just something that came to mind recently and was curious to see what others thought about it because I didn't really discuss this with anyone when I was in high school etc. Aka. I wasn't on online forums and none of my friends listened to metal.

I don't think it's really that outrageous of a thread, unless of course, you have some context that I don't, this would be the place to share it.

 

[jaxadam]

I don't think it's really that outrageous of a thread, unless of course, you have some context that I don't, this would be the place to share it.

🤜🤛

 

[NoodleFace]

If the kid survived but killed someone else by jumping into them, would they be responsible?

It's just a horrible, awful accident.

Call me an old man or whatever, but nothing pisses me off more at a show than getting crowdsurfed on. I'm standing at the front to enjoy the show up close and avoid the moshing behind me, which is usually easily doable. Crowdsurfers give me absolutely no choice but have their sweaty ass dragged over the back of my neck and head. Fuck off. And before anyone suggests I stand somewhere else - no. I'm not hurting anyone by being the person at the front, and I paid for my ticket to be there. I didn't pay to have someone surf over the top of me and in one instance get kicked in the face when security have to pull them down safely.

Security shouldn't be allowing crowndsurfing and stage diving anyway. Just avoid this potentially happening by not letting it happen.

I actually stopped going to most metal shows because of how obnoxious fans are. We have this one local guy that shows up to every show in corpse paint and does really obnoxious pit shenanigans like locking wrists with someone and doing that spinning beyblade shit.

I'm 40, if I get hit wrong I'm gonna be paralyzed for 4 weeks

 

[STRHelvete]

I hope so

 

[BlackMastodon]

I just didn't really know why the case got lost in obscurity

Just random deaths and no one responsible

Dude went to prison in the Czech Republic because of it. Not exactly lost to obscurity where no one was held responsible...

 

[BlackMastodon]

If the kid survived but killed someone else by jumping into them, would they be responsible?

It's just a horrible, awful accident.

Call me an old man or whatever, but nothing pisses me off more at a show than getting crowdsurfed on. I'm standing at the front to enjoy the show up close and avoid the moshing behind me, which is usually easily doable. Crowdsurfers give me absolutely no choice but have their sweaty ass dragged over the back of my neck and head. Fuck off. And before anyone suggests I stand somewhere else - no. I'm not hurting anyone by being the person at the front, and I paid for my ticket to be there. I didn't pay to have someone surf over the top of me and in one instance get kicked in the face when security have to pull them down safely.

Security shouldn't be allowing crowndsurfing and stage diving anyway. Just avoid this potentially happening by not letting it happen.

I actually stopped going to most metal shows because of how obnoxious fans are. We have this one local guy that shows up to every show in corpse paint and does really obnoxious pit shenanigans like locking wrists with someone and doing that spinning beyblade shit.

I'm 40, if I get hit wrong I'm gonna be paralyzed for 4 weeks

I remember seeing Baroness in Detroit in 2019 and this one dick head just could not stop himself from crowd surfing the entire night. I'm pretty sure he got 2 or 3 very stern warnings and then eventually thrown out before Baroness ever hit the stage. I remember leaving the show and he was standing outside, voice completely gone and bitching to no one in particular about how the Majestic Theater was run by a bunch of Nazis because they threw him out. Fuck that guy, and good riddance. Let him stand outside bitching and moaning because of the consequences of his dickish actions.

 

[HeHasTheJazzHands]

Dude went to prison in the Czech Republic because of it. Not exactly lost to obscurity where no one was held responsible...

I think that's OP's problem. He wanted someone held responsible. He wants there to be some black-and-white answer and someone needed to go to jail, when in reality it's a whole grey area of fuck ups. There was no malice or ill-intent, just mistakes made by everyone involved.