Carvin Vader

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  1. narad

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    Le Fay bass :)
     
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    They revealed the bridge design, glad it's not a drastic change from what they had before.

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    That top's a regular Rorschach.
     
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    Looks good, I like it.

    I wonder why the fan of the bridge baseplate is less than the fan of the guitar though? For instance, the bass saddles are quite far back, and the treble saddles quite far forward. Why not build the baseplate fan to match the guitar's fan?

    At least the low B's saddle still appears to have room to move back further if needed, so I doubt it will be an issue.
     
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    I like the bridge but this body shape just does not lend itself to the asymmetry of multiscale at all IMO.
     
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    Well that's just dissapointing... No individual saddles = not so good.
     
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    Doesn't make a difference to me, single saddles require a different method to ground the guitar. And if it means I can avoid a zero fret I will do it at all costs :lol:
     
  9. feraledge

    feraledge Heard the Good News about Maple Fretboards?

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    I think it looks solid.
     
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    OAF and xen did this with their hipshot bridges a while back. They were only using the standard one with longer saddles.
     
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    Bridges like that are just flimsy, especially when those intonation screws are so long. All loose saddles do is eat your sustain (not always but alot of the time). And a properly done 0 fret is definately better, but noone seems to know how to do it lol :) as for the ground - it's not that much different and I might be wrong but if there was a 0 fret doesn't it connect all strings and allow only one saddle ground? Anyways, the limited pickup choice due to the slant is the major downside for me anyways :(
     
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    Agreed. The reason the Strandberg design works so well is how wildly asymmetrical the body is, where the Vader looks "off" because the body is rather symmetrical. That said, if you'd never seen the Boden design, this might look perfectly fine. But on the other hand, this might not exist if it wasn't for the Boden's success.
     
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    I wonder what the intonation range is in regard to string gauge. Like if it will handle the extremes of say a 8-54 set or something like 12-68.

    I'm different than many folks in that I like a little more material to rest my hand on so I'm liking this, but I totally understand why folks want the streamlined setup of individual saddles. This looks great to me so far and can see putting an order in after I move a few things. In a lot of ways this is the guitar I've been waiting for.
     
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    My guess is that it is just a standard base plate that they use for several different fan ranges, so that it's cheaper to manufacture (standardized mass-manufacturing, instead of custom building a base plate just for the Carvin Vaders)
     
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    There's already a metal block at the 'headstock' holding the strings, so technically you'd only need to ground one saddle with the current design if they went the single saddles route.

    Ah, that makes sense. I hadn't considered that they're custom machined special for the vader, they will probably pop up on the hipshot website.

    Carvin has all these Cnc machines, I wonder why they didn't design their own?
     
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    Because metal has different requirements than wood. Locating the work, the cutters, precision, everything is different.

    But mostly because they can say it has a HIPSHOT BRIDGE.
     
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    For that reason and because it cost way less to outsource it to another vendor that specializes in hardware. It would be a tremendous cost to design, test, re-design, re-test, tool up to manufacture these in house. The ROI on doing it in house would probably take forever. I'm guessing tens of thousands (maybe hundreds) of units sold.
     
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    I have a V7 tuned to drop F# with 11-74 and perfect intonation on my analog strobe tuner. I don't know why people are flipping out about about this bridge. I have one of the earliest model Vaders and I have had absolutely no problem with it.

    edit: just realized that we are talking about the FF. I have no experience.
     
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    Surprised no thread yet; Vader with tremolo just announced for 6, 7 and 8s. No multiscale planned though.

    $50 extra ontop of normal vader for limited time. $200 ontop of HH models.
     
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    Thread was made the day it was announced:

    http://www.sevenstring.org/forum/showthread.php?t=318025
     

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