Anyone watching the big game tonight?

[HeHasTheJazzHands]

https://edition.cnn.com/politics/live-news/trump-tariffs-news-04-03-25/index.html

Literally all they got is "trust me bro"

"This is a president who is doubling down on his proven economic formula from his first term." The economic formula for his first term was him riding his previous admin's economy, not tariffing fucking penguins and seals.

 

[nightflameauto]

There's no such thing as a free lunch, and it was silly for **whoever the responsible parties are** to convince people their retirement being at all tied to the stock market was objectively "safe" or that it would be worth more than their initial investment with no potential downsides.

Oh, I remember the MASSIVE fights I had during my younger years with people about the stock market not being a guaranteed thing. There are vast swaths of people that truly believe the stock market *ALWAYS* goes up. ALWAYS, with no risk at all. And telling them otherwise is like slamming your head into a brick wall with a giant mallet behind it on each smack.

That's the problem with treating capitalism like some kind of religion. It doesn't matter how much faith you have in it, it can and sometimes does, trend downward.

 

[Big Dumb Bitch]

 

[Grindspine]

Weren't 1828 and 1920 also right around huge pandemics?

Wow, if one were to study indicators of societal collapse through archaeological records and historical documents, then one would think the current administration is tempting fate for such a thing.

 

[nightflameauto]

Weren't 1828 and 1920 also right around huge pandemics?

Wow, if one were to study indicators of societal collapse through archaeological records and historical documents, then one would think the current administration is tempting fate for such a thing.

1920 = Spanish Flu, that actually started late 1919. There's a local gal that was a baby that survived the Spanish Flu, and she chatted on the news one morning about how they considered it a miracle she survived the last pandemic, now she can claim to have survived two.

History may not directly repeat, but it sure got a wild rhyming scheme.

 

[tedtan]

History may not directly repeat, but it sure got a wild rhyming scheme.

This.

There’s an interesting book written back in the 90s on this called The Fourth Turning, which has some eerie commentary (not exactly predictions) on modern current events. It’s worth a read, or at least finding a good summary.

 

[BlackMastodon]

Just gonna add that the audacity of calling his press conference "Liberation Day" is icing on the cake. This absolute window-licking dipshit has no idea what he's doing and is slapping cute patriotic buzzwords on as a label while his cultist voting base are all collectively dislocating their shoulders from how furiously they're wanking it to this clownshow. Meanwhile the rest of the world is planning on an economy that complete excludes the US as a trading partner so they can minimize the impact of these stupid as fuck tarrifs that are based on nothing but GOP tears and brushed egos.

 

[Ralyks]

So, is there any possibility that should these tariffs still be around and they basically decimate us, a Democrat gets into office in 2028 and can turn this around, or should the US just accept we are in isolation from here on out?

 

[thebeesknees22]

So, is there any possibility that should these tariffs still be around and they basically decimate us, a Democrat gets into office in 2028 and can turn this around, or should the US just accept we are in isolation from here on out?

i highly doubt the damage from trump 2.0 will be able to be reversed in just 4 years. Perhaps it can, but we couldn't do a stimulus like in covid times when we're bankrupt.

it's going to take a generation to turn things around I'm afraid. I hope I'm wrong on that though.

The world won't trust US voters for at least a generation after voting trump back in. I mean I wouldn't trust the US if I were a foreign country for at least a generation. Maybe 2-3 generations since the MAGA crowd will need to be gone before any trust can be built again.

 

[Randy]

So, is there any possibility that should these tariffs still be around and they basically decimate us, a Democrat gets into office in 2028 and can turn this around, or should the US just accept we are in isolation from here on out?

The courts and a bipartisan plurality in Congress will slam the brakes on the whole cockamamie thing long before 2028.

 

[Church2224]

There is already a Bi Partisan Attempt to return power of Tarriffs back to Congress as the Constitution allows. Trump has overplayed his hand and his own party are starting to turn on him.

 

[Church2224]

The courts and a bipartisan plurality in Congress will slam the brakes on the whole cockamamie thing long before 2028.

Give it until May and Congress is going tk shut it down, they already are.

There is a Balance of power for a reason and trump thinks he can bypass that. He blames the courts and Congress for not getting what he wants.

Yeah that's the point, to not give one man that much power. Problem is his die hard supporters think everything you say against him is treason. It's a cult...

 

[Randy]

There is already a Bi Partisan Attempt to return power of Tarriffs back to Congress as the Constitution allows. Trump has overplayed his hand and his own party are starting to turn on him.

Despite all the fanfics and doomsaying, Trump is not running for a third term (assuming he survives this one and hes not a vegetable). The average age of members of Congress is between 55 and 65 years old.

These people are hoping to have a career after Trump. Helping him steer the ship into the iceberg and chaining their constituents to it while it drags them under is not how they extend their career. At some point they're looking for an offramp and that time is now.

Any threat of Trump primarying them is less scary if he no longer holds power, even less scary with the real prospect he's going to be exposed as a moron that ruined the lives of all his supporters, and if neither of those do it, meaningless if they're going to be eaten alive in a mass anti-incumbent purge anyway.

The Republican establishment will look for a way to "save Trump from himself" and let him take credit for a brilliant turn around but make no mistake, they're not going to let this proceed for a full four years. Maybe not even a full four months.

 

[Church2224]

He threatened to Primary Massie, and that didn't turn out well for him. If he tries it with Rand many people will go against that too. It's not a good hand to play

 

[MetalDestroyer]

Despite all the fanfics and doomsaying, Trump is not running for a third term

Trump says he's considering ways to serve a third term as president

President Donald Trump says he's considering ways to serve a third term. “I'm not joking,” he says in an NBC News interview.

apnews.com

https://www.npr.org/2025/04/03/nx-s1-5351751/voting-executive-order-lawsuit

I agree about not running - he'll just not run elections. They're already just not following laws. You have a lot of faith that is not backed up by any kind of reality we've seen so far

 

[Randy]

Trump says he's considering ways to serve a third term as president

President Donald Trump says he's considering ways to serve a third term. “I'm not joking,” he says in an NBC News interview.

apnews.com

https://www.npr.org/2025/04/03/nx-s1-5351751/voting-executive-order-lawsuit

I agree about not running - he'll just not run elections. They're already just not following laws. You have a lot of faith that is not backed up by any kind of reality we've seen so far

The wheels of justice turn very slowly, and the Congressional Republicans were 1.) riding the wave of their win (lets not forget he's only been there two and a half months) 2.) giving him enough room to put his policy into practice before they interfere, and its already almost time to take the sharp objects away.

What you're going to see are purple district/state Republicans and those that have already decided they're leaving (we saw this in first term) joining the Democrats in more votes to clip his wings.

 

[Randy]

Trump says he's considering ways to serve a third term as president

President Donald Trump says he's considering ways to serve a third term. “I'm not joking,” he says in an NBC News interview.

apnews.com

https://www.npr.org/2025/04/03/nx-s1-5351751/voting-executive-order-lawsuit

I agree about not running - he'll just not run elections. They're already just not following laws. You have a lot of faith that is not backed up by any kind of reality we've seen so far

To be clear, I dont have "faith".

Everything Trump says and does is a trial balloon to test what he can do and how much pushback he'll get. The only reason why it won't work is because people are pushing back and they need to continue to do it.

If everyone just sits at home and watches, the fascist nightmare will playout exactly as we fear. Words on a page won't stop him. If it looks like people are paying attention and they're willing to hold their leaders accountable, he can be stopped. We're seeing that in action.

Wisconsin is an example of how you stop Trump. You prove Democrats will show up and vote blue in purple districts. You maintain/regain control of the courts, which includes stopping MAGA legislation and supporting pro-Blue maps. Put the fear in Republicans, teach them they need to work with you or be left behind.

 

[Grindspine]

To be clear, I dont have "faith".

Everything Trump says and does is a trial balloon to test what he can do and how much pushback he'll get. The only reason why it won't work is because people are pushing back and they need to continue to do it.

If everyone just sits at home and watches, the fascist nightmare will playout exactly as we fear. Words on a page won't stop him. If it looks like people are paying attention and they're willing to hold their leaders accountable, he can be stopped. We're seeing that in action.

Wisconsin is an example of how you stop Trump. You prove Democrats will show up and vote blue in purple districts. You maintain/regain control of the courts, which includes stopping MAGA legislation and supporting pro-Blue maps. Put the fear in Republicans, teach them they need to work with you or be left behind.

Thing is, that is why the GOP is pushing so many new laws limiting voting, registering, etc. Gerrymandering and redistricting are alternate paths they have been taking. Also, the more federal judges they have on their side, the slower any turn around with elections will have any effect.

You're also forgetting that some of these morons genuinely believe that Trump is doing god's work. The christian nationalist movement really thinks that he is a savior that will help elevate the USA as a chosen people for the end times.

Granted, those people are all fucking delusional, but they do exist, en masse, and that is part of the problem.

 

[Moongrum]

About every time this year we make a pretty sizeable contribution to our retirement plans for tax purposes and I asked my accountant/financial advisor if we should be writing a check for it for this year right now. I was actually expecting him to say no, they would just hold it in cash or move it into something else, but he said yes; they were expecting a dip and for there to be a rough patch for the next 6 to 7 months, but to go ahead and do it. Everything still looks fine with our stuff.

Assuming one’s investments are in it for the long term, one should always come out ahead. Things like the nasdaq and s&p 500 are more than double what they were 10 years ago. I’m not financially literate so maybe I’m looking at this wrong.

 

[Randy]

Thing is, that is why the GOP is pushing so many new laws limiting voting, registering, etc. Gerrymandering and redistricting are alternate paths they have been taking. Also, the more federal judges they have on their side, the slower any turn around with elections will have any effect.

I'm aware. Trump so far losing in the courts and the top court already showing their Trump fatigue. In the case of Wisconsin, the win now projects a blue-friendly redistricting (which is why Musk fought so hard there).

Admit that this wouldn't have been the outcome if that judgeship landed in November 2024 instead of April 2025. Ask yourself why, and tell me we're not making gains.

You're also forgetting that some of these morons genuinely believe that Trump is doing god's work. The christian nationalist movement really thinks that he is a savior that will help elevate the USA as a chosen people for the end times.

Right and again, that Senate vote. 48 people that think Trump is doing "God's work", 47 Democrats voting with their party, and 4 Republicans already feeling the pressure.

I don't need to turn all Republicans. Don't need to turn most of them. Just gotta scare the shit out of enough of them. Less than three months since the guy took office, with the electoral and popular vote, all three branches but they're already defecting.