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ArtDecade

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Yeah, this. I'm not that worried in the long run. While I don't think we'll come out unscathed, we're likely to survive Trump's 4 years in ways that y'all 'muricans aren't. If society crumbles badly enough that I'm wrong, then my savings are probably going to be the least of our problems.
Trump is a special form of stupid. Once he obliterates the markets and realizes he didn't get what he wanted, he will deduce the only way to reset the economy is war production.
 

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Yeah, I think that Canada has a few possible fates here:

1) Trump gets wrangled and the tariffs get choked and he gets shut up on that matter permanently, it will probably go back to being more or less the same, just with your citizens continuing to boycott American goods as much as possible and avoiding traveling here. Best case scenario!

2) Trumps tariffs don't get aborted, US economy crashes, Canada has to work around the US for a few years until either democrats get a supermajority in '26 or Trump loses office, but overall does WAY better than the US, everything ends up more or less fine for them. Terrible for us, but hey, good for everyone else.

3a) Trump's tariffs don't get aborted, US economy crashes, Canada ends up doing fine, Republicans disallow future elections and we sink into irrelevance and look at Canada jealously but don't do anything about it. Seems unlikely.

3b) Trump destroys the US economy, then before losing power in '26/'28 convinces everyone we need to go to war with Canada to make them the 51st state so we can get all their lumber and shit that only became unaffordable because of Trump's idiot policies, Canada gets attacked by US military until sanity gets back into office in '26 or '28, things are very very very bad for Canada and the US.

3c) Peter Thiel/Vance/Musk/etc successfully destroy elections, become dictators for life and do the above whenever it becomes convenient, probably later than '26! Things are bad for the US and probably worse for Canada since you're the ones getting militarily attacked.

My hope is 1 and most likely prediction is 2 but I don't think any of the 3s are off the table.
 

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Yeah, I think that Canada has a few possible fates here:

1) Trump gets wrangled and the tariffs get choked and he gets shut up on that matter permanently, it will probably go back to being more or less the same, just with your citizens continuing to boycott American goods as much as possible and avoiding traveling here. Best case scenario!

2) Trumps tariffs don't get aborted, US economy crashes, Canada has to work around the US for a few years until either democrats get a supermajority in '26 or Trump loses office, but overall does WAY better than the US, everything ends up more or less fine for them. Terrible for us, but hey, good for everyone else.

3a) Trump's tariffs don't get aborted, US economy crashes, Canada ends up doing fine, Republicans disallow future elections and we sink into irrelevance and look at Canada jealously but don't do anything about it. Seems unlikely.

3b) Trump destroys the US economy, then before losing power in '26/'28 convinces everyone we need to go to war with Canada to make them the 51st state so we can get all their lumber and shit that only became unaffordable because of Trump's idiot policies, Canada gets attacked by US military until sanity gets back into office in '26 or '28, things are very very very bad for Canada and the US.

3c) Peter Thiel/Vance/Musk/etc successfully destroy elections, become dictators for life and do the above whenever it becomes convenient, probably later than '26! Things are bad for the US and probably worse for Canada since you're the ones getting militarily attacked.

My hope is 1 and most likely prediction is 2 but I don't think any of the 3s are off the table.
4. Trump bans TikTok and the White House is pillaged and set on fire by angry OF models and food influencers. A new government is formed by MrBeast and [insert someone else here].
 

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It is more likely he will be trying to defend the president by doing legdrops on influencers.

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nah, hulk hogan’s part of the current admin. I know they had him at a recent rnc thing hyping up Trump. It would probably be the Paul brothers!
 

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This will have no effect, but I sent emails to all of my reps with the following. I am surprised that no one is talking about the fact we are still paying far more in federal taxes per paycheck than to the State, and those critical services have been mostly elimated and tens of thousands of workers fired. What are we paying for? The Military and servicing our debt?

I am writing to you not just as a constituent, but as a taxpayer who is increasingly angry and disillusioned with the direction our federal government is heading. Month after month, I see significant portions of my paycheck go toward federal taxes—more than I pay in state taxes—yet I see fewer and fewer services in return.

We are watching tens of thousands of public service jobs vanish. Agencies once responsible for protecting our environment, public health, and civil rights are being gutted. Programs that working people rely on—whether it's food assistance, education, housing, or disaster response—are being slashed or outright dismantled.

And yet, we are still paying.

Why are we being asked to fund a government that is actively sabotaging itself and failing to serve the people? Why is the burden increasingly being shifted onto middle- and working-class Americans while corporations and the ultra-wealthy enjoy tax cuts and loopholes?

This is not fiscal responsibility—it’s abandonment. It’s redistribution in reverse: collecting from the people and delivering little to nothing in return.

I am demanding that you take a stand against this erosion of public trust and public service. I want to see:
  • Full transparency in how our tax dollars are being allocated.
  • Restoration of critical federal programs and agencies that have been defunded or dismantled.
  • A tax code that is fair and just—not one that benefits the few while burdening the many.
  • Investment in the actual services we depend on: healthcare, housing, clean water, public transportation, disaster preparedness, and education.
If my taxes are going to fund this system, then this system must start working for me—and for all of us.

I urge you to speak out, act boldly, and defend the public good. I will be watching your actions closely, and so will many others who share my concerns.
 

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4. Trump bans TikTok and the White House is invaded and set on fire by angry OF models and food influencers.
5. The US economy tanks, some Americans push back, while MAGA cultists organize around their King of the morons who appoints himself a permanent dictator, and it becomes a civil war. Instead of Canada becoming a state, we end up roped into this civil war, and getting absorbed by Democrats instead of MAGA, turning us into Cana-'murica, which leans a little more left than Canada did before, but not by much. Now the new mixed nation and the MAGA nation form a North-and-South Korea kind of dynamic where everyone suffers and there's a constant war, but generally nobody goes in or comes out of the officially Christian-Nationalist USA, where wokeness is punishable by death. Alaska nopes out of all of this and becomes an independent nation, mostly because MAGA is bad at geography and forgot that their giant border wall doesn't encompass that piece of land. Quebec also separates - and the rest of the provinces follow suit. Eggs cost $300 each. Video games are now $90 and folks are more mad about the video games than the eggs.

Social media and tech companies somehow come out unscathed thus far. They declare the internet to be an independent nation on it's own. Folks upload their consciousness in exchange for citizenship, which comes with voting rights, but some clever wordplay allows them to strip those voting rights from most minorities. Dogecoin is the official currency of InternetLand, but a fatal flaw is found and someone accidentally sends all of the nation's currency in a single transaction to one guy in Spain as payment for drugs or something. The whole nation crashes and all citizen's concousnesses are deleted. What's left of Cana-'murica spends years debating the morality of this whole thing.

Meanwhile, we forgot to do anything about climate change, so the Earth is slowly cooking. The billionaire owner of a smart toaster company decides we can escape to Jupiter. A large chunk of the world population goes along with this plan, which the billionaire generously pays for in order to play the super hero. Despite some push-back, they miraculously manage to build a vessel that can carry folks there in 10 years. The ship arrives, and they finally have to face their critics - who have told them that Jupiter is all gas, you can't land there - and they all die.

Eventually the rest of the world crumbles. We reject modernity and return to monke.

Wait, what was I talking about again?
 

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5. The US economy tanks, some Americans push back, while MAGA cultists organize around their King of the morons who appoints himself a permanent dictator, and it becomes a civil war. Instead of Canada becoming a state, we end up roped into this civil war, and getting absorbed by Democrats instead of MAGA, turning us into Cana-'murica, which leans a little more left than Canada did before, but not by much. Now the new mixed nation and the MAGA nation form a North-and-South Korea kind of dynamic where everyone suffers and there's a constant war, but generally nobody goes in or comes out of the officially Christian-Nationalist USA, where wokeness is punishable by death. Alaska nopes out of all of this and becomes an independent nation, mostly because MAGA is bad at geography and forgot that their giant border wall doesn't encompass that piece of land. Quebec also separates - and the rest of the provinces follow suit. Eggs cost $300 each. Video games are now $90 and folks are more mad about the video games than the eggs.

Social media and tech companies somehow come out unscathed thus far. They declare the internet to be an independent nation on it's own. Folks upload their consciousness in exchange for citizenship, which comes with voting rights, but some clever wordplay allows them to strip those voting rights from most minorities. Dogecoin is the official currency of InternetLand, but a fatal flaw is found and someone accidentally sends all of the nation's currency in a single transaction to one guy in Spain as payment for drugs or something. The whole nation crashes and all citizen's concousnesses are deleted. What's left of Cana-'murica spends years debating the morality of this whole thing.

Meanwhile, we forgot to do anything about climate change, so the Earth is slowly cooking. The billionaire owner of a smart toaster company decides we can escape to Jupiter. A large chunk of the world population goes along with this plan, which the billionaire generously pays for in order to play the super hero. Despite some push-back, they miraculously manage to build a vessel that can carry folks there in 10 years. The ship arrives, and they finally have to face their critics - who have told them that Jupiter is all gas, you can't land there - and they all die.

Eventually the rest of the world crumbles. We reject modernity and return to monke.

Wait, what was I talking about again?
Have you been reading my manifesto?!
 

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I know that was a joke but...

There is a vocal minority of Alaska secessionists, but we would be super hella fucked. Even if our subsistence resources were once sufficient to support a modest lifestyle, salmon runs are so completely fucked at this point. What fish make it past the commercial fishing in the ocean get largely caught up by dipnetting downstream and indigenous people in the interior are hardly getting fish, or literally not getting them at all in too many places.

That is not to mention how reliant our infrastructure is on US support. Most people are not prepared to go back to a pre-industrial lifestyle, and the means to do so are increasingly inaccessible or nonexistent.

The only silver lining would be that climate change has drastically altered our winters and they are no longer nearly as harsh as they once were. They are, however, still absolutely deadly to the unprepared.

Probably, the "libertarians" would just murder everyone else and then slowly starve to death once they ran out of other libertarians to eat.
 

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Well least I’m glad that I don’t need anything out of my investments for the next year or so. As it stands I’ve nearly lost the past year of gains, so while it sucks it isn’t catastrophic, yet. I guess the question is if a company in the S&P500 goes bust, how does that affect the index? I know as companies churn in value that the index updates, but I never heard of one going bankrupt. Enron was close but was removed prior to bankruptcy I believe.

Until significant structural changes are made to prevent this kind of abuse by a president (and not just economic but military also) I don’t see US getting its full seat at the table again. Everyone is going to be justified by keeping us at arm’s length urging trade since we, the electorate, have proven to be woefully malicious and incompetent. The new normal will be a poorer US as a result.


Jokes aside, haven't a bunch of companies told the admin to fuck off over this because DEI is actually profitable in the end ? Lol
I’m currently looking for work and there are fucking oil companies still touting their DEI policies on their career sites.

This will have no effect, but I sent emails to all of my reps with the following. I am surprised that no one is talking about the fact we are still paying far more in federal taxes per paycheck than to the State, and those critical services have been mostly elimated and tens of thousands of workers fired. What are we paying for? The Military and servicing our debt?

I am writing to you not just as a constituent, but as a taxpayer who is increasingly angry and disillusioned with the direction our federal government is heading. Month after month, I see significant portions of my paycheck go toward federal taxes—more than I pay in state taxes—yet I see fewer and fewer services in return.

We are watching tens of thousands of public service jobs vanish. Agencies once responsible for protecting our environment, public health, and civil rights are being gutted. Programs that working people rely on—whether it's food assistance, education, housing, or disaster response—are being slashed or outright dismantled.

And yet, we are still paying.

Why are we being asked to fund a government that is actively sabotaging itself and failing to serve the people? Why is the burden increasingly being shifted onto middle- and working-class Americans while corporations and the ultra-wealthy enjoy tax cuts and loopholes?

This is not fiscal responsibility—it’s abandonment. It’s redistribution in reverse: collecting from the people and delivering little to nothing in return.

I am demanding that you take a stand against this erosion of public trust and public service. I want to see:
  • Full transparency in how our tax dollars are being allocated.
  • Restoration of critical federal programs and agencies that have been defunded or dismantled.
  • A tax code that is fair and just—not one that benefits the few while burdening the many.
  • Investment in the actual services we depend on: healthcare, housing, clean water, public transportation, disaster preparedness, and education.
If my taxes are going to fund this system, then this system must start working for me—and for all of us.

I urge you to speak out, act boldly, and defend the public good. I will be watching your actions closely, and so will many others who share my concerns.
Hopefully your rep and senators aren’t the kind to respond “thank you for noticing the fine job we are doing gurgling Trump’s sack” like mine would.

Wait, what was I talking about again?
I like the cut of your jib, sir.
 

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I know that was a joke but...

There is a vocal minority of Alaska secessionists, but we would be super hella fucked. Even if our subsistence resources were once sufficient to support a modest lifestyle, salmon runs are so completely fucked at this point. What fish make it past the commercial fishing in the ocean get largely caught up by dipnetting downstream and indigenous people in the interior are hardly getting fish, or literally not getting them at all in too many places.

That is not to mention how reliant our infrastructure is on US support. Most people are not prepared to go back to a pre-industrial lifestyle, and the means to do so are increasingly inaccessible or nonexistent.

The only silver lining would be that climate change has drastically altered our winters and they are no longer nearly as harsh as they once were. They are, however, still absolutely deadly to the unprepared.

Probably, the "libertarians" would just murder everyone else and then slowly starve to death once they ran out of other libertarians to eat.
The US would agree and allow all Alaskans to form their new country - except upon those areas that include any and all oil reserves.
 

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Well least I’m glad that I don’t need anything out of my investments for the next year or so. As it stands I’ve nearly lost the past year of gains, so while it sucks it isn’t catastrophic, yet. I guess the question is if a company in the S&P500 goes bust, how does that affect the index? I know as companies churn in value that the index updates, but I never heard of one going bankrupt. Enron was close but was removed prior to bankruptcy I believe.

Until significant structural changes are made to prevent this kind of abuse by a president (and not just economic but military also) I don’t see US getting its full seat at the table again. Everyone is going to be justified by keeping us at arm’s length urging trade since we, the electorate, have proven to be woefully malicious and incompetent. The new normal will be a poorer US as a result.


I’m currently looking for work and there are fucking oil companies still touting their DEI policies on their career sites.


Hopefully your rep and senators aren’t the kind to respond “thank you for noticing the fine job we are doing gurgling Trump’s sack” like mine would.


I like the cut of your jib, sir.
Mine are all Dems, which makes me more mad. I want every single one of them disrupting business like Booker did.
 

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This will have no effect, but I sent emails to all of my reps with the following. I am surprised that no one is talking about the fact we are still paying far more in federal taxes per paycheck than to the State, and those critical services have been mostly elimated and tens of thousands of workers fired. What are we paying for? The Military and servicing our debt?

I am writing to you not just as a constituent, but as a taxpayer who is increasingly angry and disillusioned with the direction our federal government is heading. Month after month, I see significant portions of my paycheck go toward federal taxes—more than I pay in state taxes—yet I see fewer and fewer services in return.

We are watching tens of thousands of public service jobs vanish. Agencies once responsible for protecting our environment, public health, and civil rights are being gutted. Programs that working people rely on—whether it's food assistance, education, housing, or disaster response—are being slashed or outright dismantled.

And yet, we are still paying.

Why are we being asked to fund a government that is actively sabotaging itself and failing to serve the people? Why is the burden increasingly being shifted onto middle- and working-class Americans while corporations and the ultra-wealthy enjoy tax cuts and loopholes?

This is not fiscal responsibility—it’s abandonment. It’s redistribution in reverse: collecting from the people and delivering little to nothing in return.

I am demanding that you take a stand against this erosion of public trust and public service. I want to see:
  • Full transparency in how our tax dollars are being allocated.
  • Restoration of critical federal programs and agencies that have been defunded or dismantled.
  • A tax code that is fair and just—not one that benefits the few while burdening the many.
  • Investment in the actual services we depend on: healthcare, housing, clean water, public transportation, disaster preparedness, and education.
If my taxes are going to fund this system, then this system must start working for me—and for all of us.

I urge you to speak out, act boldly, and defend the public good. I will be watching your actions closely, and so will many others who share my concerns.
This would be worth sending to all of our representatives. I mean, I am not sure how many of them have good reading comprehension at this point, but still, for due diligence, it would be good.
 
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