Any current extreme metal bands using older Marshalls (plexi / jmp / jcm)?

[crushingpetal]

Any examples of current extreme metal bands using older Marshalls like a plexi / jcm 800? (Ex: current death metal, tech, prog, etc.)

I know the inherent limitations of this amp for the (broad) genre, mushy low-end and not a lot of headroom, but thought some may have workarounds. I started thinking about this because of the Meshuggah amp with a Marshall style headshell, but as far as I know is not an M-style amp.

 

[LeftOurEyes]

The meshugga amp was based on a modded marshall. I would look at something with more saturation like a splawn or any other modded marshall based amps rather than a jcm800 if you want to do metal.

If you want something on the cheap side look at Ceriatone. They have a lot of Marshall and Modded Marshall clones. They even have a Meshugga clone (Gargoyle).

 

[HeHasTheJazzHands]

Yeah the Meshuggah is based on a Jose-modded Marshall, but keep in mind they also use the 33 pedal, which has an EXTREME bass cut and mid/treble boost.

The meshugga amp was based on a modded marshall. I would look at something with more saturation like a splawn or any other modded marshall based amps rather than a jcm800 if you want to do metal.

If you want something on the cheap side look at Ceriatone. They have a lot of Marshall and Modded Marshall clones. They even have a Meshugga clone (Gargoyle).

Keep in mind Ive heard the Gargoyle isn't very faithful to the Meshuggah since IIRC it's based on someones interpretation of the Meshuggah amp schematics rather than the actual schematics.

 

[crushingpetal]

The meshugga amp was based on a modded marshall. I would look at something with more saturation like a splawn or any other modded marshall based amps rather than a jcm800 if you want to do metal.

If you want something on the cheap side look at Ceriatone. They have a lot of Marshall and Modded Marshall clones. They even have a Meshugga clone (Gargoyle).

Thanks. I'm not looking to get one (I already have a marshall clone), just curious about the question.

 

[crushingpetal]

Yeah the Meshuggah is based on a Jose-modded Marshall, but keep in mind they also use the 33 pedal, which has an EXTREME bass cut and mid/treble boost.

Wow, I thought it was closer to the rectifier. The 33 must solve the low-end flubby problem. And maybe Fortin gave it more headroom?

Any other current, extreme bands that use an older Marshall?

 

[Werecow]

Wow, I thought it was closer to the rectifier. The 33 must solve the low-end flubby problem. And maybe Fortin gave it more headroom?

It solves it by almost entirely taking the low end away. I use it sometimes at drop C or B, and it's pretty great at that for some tones. But anything higher tuned than that i absolutely hate it. Basically the lower the tuning the better it becomes.

The Peper's Dirty Tree is the same circuit, but much better with the added bass and treble controls.

 

[MASS DEFECT]

I follow Taylor Young and Pit Recording Studio for some Marshall JMP and JCM Extreme metal content. They usually record Grind or Death Metal bands and they use old Marshalls and sometimes HMW amps or Boogie Calibers.

Or just follow wherever Erik Rutan goes and whichever band he influences or touches, and for sure there's some Marshall goodness in there. I believe Vitriol now gigs with Marshalls.

Kill Division has awesome Marshall tones from their debut last year. But that is probably a JCM900.

 

[Blytheryn]

Wow, I thought it was closer to the rectifier. The 33 must solve the low-end flubby problem. And maybe Fortin gave it more headroom?

Any other current, extreme bands that use an older Marshall?

Cryptopsy’s None So Vile is a Metalzone into an 800.

 

[Soul_Debt_NJ]

Our most recent album tone includes a blend of a Marshall, EVH 5153, and Dual Rectifier (all routed to Mesa cab I believe):

here's what that sounds like for all who want to listen



Edit: perhaps not the most relevant to your question, but for shows we play that are more OSDM oriented and/or in damp basement venues, I'll use an older marshall mg head into whatever cab is available and just distort with a Darkglass B7k in front (idea curtesy of Will Rahmer)

 

[TheDandy]

I think Rivers of Nihil used a Kemper profile of a JCM800 for the rhythm tones on Where Owls Know My Name

 

[Soul_Debt_NJ]

I think Rivers of Nihil used a Kemper profile of a JCM800 for the rhythm tones on Where Owls Know My Name

You may be right about that; the documentary for their first album 'the Conscious Seed of Light' featured mostly Marshall from what I remember for their rhythm tones, and when I was subscribed to Nail the Mix, their engineer for owls described a blend of a dual rec, an uberschall, and the jcm800

 

[Jon Pearson]

I never thought of the older Marshalls as lacking headroom - from my (limited) experience with them, you had to really crank them up loud to get them to start doing the "thing"

 

[crushingpetal]

I never thought of the older Marshalls as lacking headroom - from my (limited) experience with them, you had to really crank them up loud to get them to start doing the "thing"

That's probably fair for standard tuning. I was thinking more about lower tunings, and I have more experience with a jcm 800. You're probably right about the plexi circuits.

 

[crushingpetal]

I follow Taylor Young and Pit Recording Studio for some Marshall JMP and JCM Extreme metal content. They usually record Grind or Death Metal bands and they use old Marshalls and sometimes HMW amps or Boogie Calibers.

Or just follow wherever Erik Rutan goes and whichever band he influences or touches, and for sure there's some Marshall goodness in there. I believe Vitriol now gigs with Marshalls.

Kill Division has awesome Marshall tones from their debut last year. But that is probably a JCM900.

Cryptopsy’s None So Vile is a Metalzone into an 800.

These are great, thanks!

 

[youngthrasher9]

I remember Kieth Merrow mentioning that he and Jeff Loomis tracked the Conquering Dystopia album’s lead parts with a JCM800 Kemper profile.

 

[NexusMT]

JCM 800 is my favorite amp. I plug a Fortin-modded TS808 in front of my JCM 800 it puts it at the same gain level of my Engl PB2.

Obviously the JCM 800 is way less compressed and has more headroom which sounds sometimes "a bit too imprecise" compared to the PB2. For a 50 yo amp design not bad.

 

[youngthrasher9]

I follow Taylor Young and Pit Recording Studio for some Marshall JMP and JCM Extreme metal content. They usually record Grind or Death Metal bands and they use old Marshalls and sometimes HMW amps or Boogie Calibers.

Or just follow wherever Erik Rutan goes and whichever band he influences or touches, and for sure there's some Marshall goodness in there. I believe Vitriol now gigs with Marshalls.

Kill Division has awesome Marshall tones from their debut last year. But that is probably a JCM900.

I’m pretty sure Kyle from Vitriol has been touring with a Fortin modded Marshall.

 

[gunch]

Sylosis, funnily enough

 

[crushingpetal]

I’m pretty sure Kyle from Vitriol has been touring with a Fortin modded Marshall.

Checks out:

 

[FloridaRolf]

Triptykon is a Tubescreamer Mini into a JCM800 with everything maxed except tone on the guitar
Many records done by Kurt Ballou at Godcity is an HM-2 into some old Ampeg and Marshall