Any Brits here?

[StevenC]

More convenient to blame it on a policy they knew would never get approved. That the majority of Scottish public were never in favour of.

Weird that it was legislation that got passed and when you say "never get approved" you mean was stopped by a first ever Westminster overreach leading to a constitutional crisis.

Tell us you're a Tory without telling us you're a Tory.

I have to applaud the Scottish on their restraint. If Stormont passed a bill in the currently majority nationalist assembly that Westminster overturned there would be bombs very quickly.

 

[Louis Cypher]

James O'brien perfectly summing up the utter insanity of Brexit in 2023 in these 2 videos.

In a nutshell..... the Brexit supporting Home Secretary is threatening to resign coz the current Brexit supporting PM is trying to up hold the terms of the deal originally signed by the old Brexit supporting PM who along with the Brexit supporting Home Secretary and other Brexit supporting fcukwits are saying the current Brexit supporting PM is actually betraying Brexit by trying to stick to the terms of the deal signed by the old Brexit supporting PM who has done a 3 Yr victory dance about how he got Brexit done by signing the original deal that he now says the current PM is betraying Brexit by trying to uphold the terms of that deal....

 

[SamSam]

Weird that it was legislation that got passed and when you say "never get approved" you mean was stopped by a first ever Westminster overreach leading to a constitutional crisis.

Tell us you're a Tory without telling us you're a Tory.

I have to applaud the Scottish on their restraint. If Stormont passed a bill in the currently majority nationalist assembly that Westminster overturned there would be bombs very quickly.

Not a Tory. The country I live in doesn't even have the equivalent of a Tory party. The two main parties are indeed centre right and centre left; one being liberal-conservative and one being social democratic. And we do not have the same polling system as the UK and we vote for candidates (which could lead to a mixed cabinet, never happens). Although I wouldn't take because accused of being Tory any worse than any of the alternatives in the UK given the state of politics there.

Political affiliations/accusations aside. For the general public the Gender Recognition Act was always going to be somewhat divisive irrespective of political allegiance and it would be foolish to believe otherwise. Obviously the Adam Graham / Isla Bryson case has come up at a bad time for the SNP and was going to sway opinion rather heavily. It is unfortunate that a single high profile case can have such an impact. Sturgeon's handling of that case also led to some public embarrassment, but surely that was not enough to lead to her resignation?

 

[Louis Cypher]

Sunak quote on his updated Brexit deal regarding the NI protocal
Being in single market and UK makes Northern Ireland ‘world’s most exciting economic zone’, says Sunak

"If we get this right, if we get this framework implemented, if we get the executive back up and running here, Northern Ireland is in the unbelievably special position – unique position in the entire world, European continent – in having privileged access, not just to the UK home market, which is enormous, the fifth biggest in the world, but also the European Union single market. Nobody else has that. No one. Only you guys. Only here. And that is the prize.

I can tell you, when I go around the world and talk to businesses, they know. They’re like, ‘That’s interesting, if you guys get this sorted, then we want to invest in Northern Ireland.’

Because nowhere else does that that exist. That’s like the world’s most exciting economic zone."
Shame that the rest of the UK can't beneft from this same "..unbelievably special position..... unique position in the entire world....." with "...privileged access, not just to the UK home market...... but also the European Union single market..."
Also worth noting that with all this trumpeting from Sunak about his new deal, he seems to have forgotten he supported the original deal at the 2019 election and in Johnson govt

 

[sleewell]

It absolutely insane he can say that with a straight face. How does lightning not strike him down as he's saying that? Such bold lies, so much stupidity.

Selling a brexit vote for years to intentionally make yourselves poorer for generations to come and then now trying to sell the obvious benefits of the single market you didn't want to be in. Wow. And people will blindly keep voting for this nonsense.

Tories have been in control for a while now and it's almost indecernable if they are actually trying to sabotage their own country.

 

[Louis Cypher]

It absolutely insane he can say that with a straight face. How does lightning not strike him down as he's saying that? Such bold lies, so much stupidity.

Selling a brexit vote for years to intentionally make yourselves poorer for generations to come and then now trying to sell the obvious benefits of the single market you didn't want to be in. Wow. And people will blindly keep voting for this nonsense.

Tories have been in control for a while now and it's almost indecernable if they are actually trying to sabotage their own country.

Dunno what to say tbh and the latest insanity on top of that is that downing street has DENIED Sunak has been promoting or beleives that single market access is of benefit for the rest of the UK! LOL!
The lies and the lies on lies is mental, he literally has just shot down Brexit and leaving the single market and customs union was the UK shooting itself in the face financially!

There is nothing left other than to say yes Brexit was for the racists, the bigots, big corps destrution of workers rights and the billionaire diaster capitolists

edit: heres the offical statement from No.10 (desperately trying to back track on Sunaks comments)
"No 10 claims UK 'seeing the benefits' of Brexit as it clarifies PM's comments on NI and single market
At the Downing Street lobby briefing the PM’s spokesperson said that Rishi Sunak’s comments this morning about Northern Ireland benefiting from being in the EU single market (see 9.07am and 11.11am) did not mean he thought the whole of the UK should be in it. The spokesperson said:

"The British people made a decision in 2016 and we are seeing the benefits of that decision, whether that’s in the ability to change our environment laws (ie scrap them!), some of the tax elements the prime minister talked about just today, in fact. (ie tax breaks for the wealthy, like Sunak and his wife)

With regards to Northern Ireland, it is simply a fact that because of our respect for the Good Friday agreement and the central importance; Northern Ireland’s unique position means it needs to have access to both markets, not least to avoid a border on the island of Ireland, which nobody wants to see.

That puts it in a unique position and what the framework does is finally cement those capabilities." "

 

[sleewell]

maga and brexit are both a cult. you know its wrong, you know its stupid, but you cant say one bad thing about it bc that's how they think they can get into power or its a blanket reason to be openly vile. they dig in and double down bc that is easier than admitting they were wrong. there is fear in saying what you know is true bc you fear what the rest of the cult will say or do. we had an actual coup attempt where people beat police officers with our flag to overturn a fair election and they still cant even say it was wrong bc that would be speaking out against the cult.


there isn't one tangible benefit of brexit (bc there never were going to be any) - you had the ability to address immigration before brexit and chose not to. the EU was never going to give you a better deal for leaving of the club bc then it wouldn't make any sense to be in the club. I think I could explain that to my 5 year old and they would understand it.


its kind of like the episode of family guy where peter takes the mystery box instead of taking the boat. the mystery box is crap and everyone else now has a boat. there never was any sort of plan or reality where brexit would have been better but everyone just wanted the mystery box. are any other first world countries now experiencing empty produce shelves at the grocery store?

 

[StevenC]

I think what this has shown, is it is time for a rethink of the Northern Irish constitution. Power-sharing isn't working because one side throws a tantrum every time they lose out. Unionists knew what Brexit was, voted for it anyway and are not upset that it's screwed them. One party literally wants to throw out the peace agreement now that they're out of majority.

 

[StevenC]

I should note, Unionists haven't been screwed in any tangible way. It's just the ideological separation they feel from an island they're not connected to. And to top it off, that is at best a minority concern in a population that leans from indifference to against unionism.

 

[Louis Cypher]

So PMQs today... Sunaks words about NI special status came back to haunt him as the SNP, quite rightly mental about it all, challenged him on it!
PMQs: SNP demands 'special' Brexit status for Scotland

"
The SNP's Westminster leader Stephen Flynn accused him at Prime Minister's Questions of "denying" the benefits of the single market "to the rest of us".
SNP MP Joanna Cherry joined in with the attack, saying: "The prime minister has boasted that his new Brexit deal puts Northern Ireland in an unbelievably special position because it will have access to both the UK and the EU markets, and he said this makes it the world's most exciting economic zone.
"So my question for the prime minister is this: If there can be a very, very special status for the province of Northern Ireland, why can't there be a very, very special status for the nation of Scotland?"

Mr Sunak replied: "There is a very special status for the nation of Scotland and that's inside our United Kingdom."
"

Lol!!! OHMYFUCKINGGOD!!

 

[Louis Cypher]

 

[nightflameauto]

Logical consistency has never been a political strongpoint, but god damn is that some shit. Holy hells.

 

[Louis Cypher]

James O'brien is on fire this week.
Who's do we hate today kids?
Well it's Harry and Megan again James!

 

[Louis Cypher]

Seriously no idea where to start with the Gary Lineker/BBC impartiality farce....
The latest is changing hour by hour but as of this post every BBC football pundit and presenter has refused to work on all the BBC flagship football shows today, other BBC presenters and pundits for other sports are also refusing to do their shows in solidarity with Lineker over the BBC suspending him, and Iain Wright, the biggest pundit bar poss Alan Shearer has said today he will quit the BBC if they sack Gary!!

The BBC for the last few yrs is in all but name a Tory media outlet, not coz they want to be but coz the government and the Right wing media has the BBC so terrified and scared of upsetting them that the government will pull its funding charter. Their constant punishment of people voicing their own opinion on their own PRIVATE social media platforms being critical of the government or government policy has finally blown up in their face. Worth noting the BBC have never had an issue with their employees private comments with regards to Labour or the SNP etc... Gary Lineker inc when he was critical of Corbyn in 2019.

Hypocrisy of the very worst kind and the fact that the person pushing this pro tory/ government line by using this impartiality argumemt as reason for punishment is the Director General of the BBC who is the same man who is a major tory party donor and who helped Boris facilitate that £800k loan recently!

Irony also is that this is blowing up in the Right wing media's face too as while he is at the BBC they believe they can control the truth being spoken by BBC presenters but if someone like Gary is sacked of leaves, they can no longer attempt to control him or when he speaks the truth about a shameful and government policy and ministers language that IS the same as 1930's era Germany. (Do a little research if you don't believe this or watch the BBCs own brilliant Rise of the Nazis documentary, to see how the final solution was infact 25 yrs or more in the making and started with the same language this government are using trying to appeal to the racists to try to save what they can b4 the next election)

The one problem is all this overshadows the public statements by the UN refugee councils public statement on this new law breaking the refugee convention and human rights laws, all the main Jewish community's have condemned this law, multiple refugee charities have condemned it....As ever James O'brien sums this whole situation up better than I can

 

[Louis Cypher]

Jonathan Pie also sums it up fcuking brilliantly!

 

[Lozek]

Seriously no idea where to start with the Gary Lineker/BBC impartiality farce....
The latest is changing hour by hour but as of this post every BBC football pundit and presenter has refused to work on all the BBC flagship football shows today, other BBC presenters and pundits for other sports are also refusing to do their shows in solidarity with Lineker over the BBC suspending him, and Iain Wright, the biggest pundit bar poss Alan Shearer has said today he will quit the BBC if they sack Gary!!

The BBC for the last few yrs is in all but name a Tory media outlet, not coz they want to be but coz the government and the Right wing media has the BBC so terrified and scared of upsetting them that the government will pull its funding charter. Their constant punishment of people voicing their own opinion on their own PRIVATE social media platforms being critical of the government or government policy has finally blown up in their face. Worth noting the BBC have never had an issue with their employees private comments with regards to Labour or the SNP etc... Gary Lineker inc when he was critical of Corbyn in 2019.

Hypocrisy of the very worst kind and the fact that the person pushing this pro tory/ government line by using this impartiality argumemt as reason for punishment is the Director General of the BBC who is the same man who is a major tory party donor and who helped Boris facilitate that £800k loan recently!

Irony also is that this is blowing up in the Right wing media's face too as while he is at the BBC they believe they can control the truth being spoken by BBC presenters but if someone like Gary is sacked of leaves, they can no longer attempt to control him or when he speaks the truth about a shameful and government policy and ministers language that IS the same as 1930's era Germany. (Do a little research if you don't believe this or watch the BBCs own brilliant Rise of the Nazis documentary, to see how the final solution was infact 25 yrs or more in the making and started with the same language this government are using trying to appeal to the racists to try to save what they can b4 the next election)

The one problem is all this overshadows the public statements by the UN refugee councils public statement on this new law breaking the refugee convention and human rights laws, all the main Jewish community's have condemned this law, multiple refugee charities have condemned it....As ever James O'brien sums this whole situation up better than I can

Incorrect. The Director General of the BBC is not the guy who helped facilitate the loan, that is the Chairman. The Director General is responsible for the overall performance and direction of the BBC on an operational level, the board are a governance structure who are tasked with keeping the BBC accountable. The Chairman however is in place at the insistence of the Government, a few years back they decided that the BBC board must always have at least one government appointed member. This is also the government that was elected on a policy of funding over-75's free TV licences, then withdrew the funding leaving the BBC to receive the mis-placed public ire.

The actual irony of this is that the policy put in place to control staff social media posting, which was trying to limit reputational damage being caused, has ended up causing more reputational damage.

 

[Louis Cypher]

Ok I got a job title wrong. Still doesn't change the facts around his appointment being highly suspect at best, tho its tory cronyism in reality.

How exactly btw does BBC staffs personal social media posts cause the BBC reputational damage? Unless of course you're a right wing media outlet owned by a non dom billionaire who hates the truth and wants the BBC to be up for grabs to the highest bidder? Also how has Andrew Neil being editor of the Hard Right wing Spectator while working for the BBC at the same time has never been an issue of impartiality or reputational damage?

Edit: all Radio 5 live content will be prerecorded today its been announced. Instead of all live coverage of the football today, due to presenter and pundits walk out

 

[Lozek]

Ok I got a job title wrong. Still doesn't change the facts around his appointment being highly suspect at best, tho its tory cronyism in reality.

How exactly btw does BBC staffs personal social media posts cause the BBC reputational damage? Unless of course you're a right wing media outlet owned by a non dom billionaire who hates the truth and wants the BBC to be up for grabs to the highest bidder?

Honestly, everything at the BBC is passed through a litmus test of 'What newspaper headline could be made of this?'. They are all too well aware of being in a privileged position on a very un-even playing field, their direct competitors at the international conglomerates will never have to dig far for a 'story' that will get the public up in arms and there's not much they can do about it other than try to limit what gets out there (There is also a lot of background stuff that goes on to support the British Broadcast Media industry as a whole and stop the BBC from being a monopoly, but that won't ever hit the headlines).

There are quite a few fairly Draconian policies in place, under the guise of being 'progressive and accountable' which are really not workable once you look past the initial flag waving.

 

[Louis Cypher]

Honestly, everything at the BBC is passed through a litmus test of 'What newspaper headline could be made of this?'.

This is the fundamental issue over the last few years with the BBC. The national public broadcaster has been cowered in to submission by media like the Daily Mail, Sun and Express, all acting as the voice of this hard right pathetic brexit tory government, but also setting the torys agenda on what is a priority by terrifying the public in to making refugees the scapegoats for the list of woes this country is suffering due to 13 yrs of tory rule and 30 odd years of right wing media pressure and lies.

The BBC needs to grow a back bone and stand up for itself, instead of self flagellating it's self at the feet of the Daily Mail editor and this Tory shambles of a government.

For example, 5 articles on Gary Lineker on its news app, 1 on Macron and Sunaks meeting being a "bromance" to sort out the boats... (Stop The Boats!! Yet another 3 word slogan! Lol!!) Nothing on the app today on the wide spread condemnation of the illegal law introduced this week that caused all of this shit show

 

[Lozek]

I agree that the BBC needs to stand up for itself, at the same point they are in a no win situation. Any hard line they take on anything will cause outrage and undermine integrity. If they pull Lineker in line then the Left will accuse them of being Right Wing stooges, if they don't the Right will accuse them of allowing political bias. Either outcome is detrimental, hence the mis-guided policy to stop anyone saying anything.

It's Clarkson all over again, if they sacked him then they were feeding the 'You can't say anything anymore' brigade, if they didn't then they were condoning staff physically assaulting each other. Either way Clarkson, can go elsewhere pretty much unscathed and the BBC takes the hit.