A tale of two Bogners

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As many of you know I went insane several months ago and acquired a monumental amount of gear. At the core of those purchases were two amps. A Bogner Shiva 20th, and a Bugner Uber Ultra. As a result a lot of my expectations were met. Many of them exceeded.

I’ll start with the Shiva 20th:

This amp is all business. KT88s. Two channels. Both sound great no matter how you dial them in. The boost does what it’s supposed to. The modern mode is cool too for a little variation. It’s very Marshall. Like a JCM with some polish but still VERY angry. Two things surprised me. First…. The cleans on this amp are absolutely stellar. Like… the hair on the back of your neck standing up stellar. I would but again, just for the clean channel. Second surprise. The voicing on the gain channel is very unique. There’s a forwardness to some of the mids that is very aggressive. It matches really well with an EMG equipped guitar. But sounds great to me with anything. It needs low end management below C standard. But most amps do. This mid range character doesn’t really dial out though. So if you’re into it, you’ll adore this amp. If you’re not, you’ll hate it. For what my band does, it sounds fantastic. I could use this one only and be stoked about my tone.

Now the Uber Ultra:

Two channels, global boost, several modes for each channel and one set of modes for the power section, knobs that dial in the amount of said modes. KT88s. 150 watts. This amp also surprised me. I’ll start with the cleans. The cleans are good. Versatile, usable, but not worth keeping the amp for like the Shiva. Which is fine. The cleans on this amp aren’t why you get this amp. The sound much better when you use the amps boost feature. As far as gain is concerned, this amp has something for everyone. From edge of breakup, to the most liquid, searing gain. It can be thick, flabby, dark, and sludgy, or laser focused and tight. This amp doesn’t need a boost. Honestly. You can play a 9 string on it without one and it’s not just a serviceable tone, it’s a great one. This is a tweakers amp. You can spend days messing with it. I don’t, I set and forget. But it’s there if that’s you. I use this one the most with my band because it’s got the gain I want. Could I be happy with the Shiva were I to let this amp go?? Yes. But that will never fucking happen. I’ve had both of these since October. The honeymoon phase is over I still love them both. Dearly. I might add some things at some point like a JC120, AC30, or or some other niche thing that does only what it does. But I will die owning these two.

Here’s the UU in context with my band. Playing a Dunable Minotaur with a Direwolf in the bridge. I’ve since thanked that to a Hell Worm. Direwolf is a little dark, and Bogners are on the smooth side. I wanted something with a little more upper mid bite and hotter. It was a good choice. Those it sounded great before.

 

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Hell yeah, man.

The seller of my monomyth 1987x got a shiva 20th (also in white) that he now has listed as he actually wanted an uber again.
 

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Bogner amps are the real deal man. I’ve owned some cool stuff over the years. Budda, Rivera, Diezel, Mesa…. These two amps are my favorites.
 

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The only Bogner I have heard that I know I've heard is the Uber owned by Trevor in A Wilhelm Scream. @grimmchaos has sent a couple clips of his, but it's not an amp I've tested irl. The model in the axe isnt really my vibe (I also dont spend hours rolling IR's with it). One day I'll get to try one.

There was a Shiva (20th?) for $1800CAD in Toronto last year but I had the marshall trifecta already (SL, JCM800, JTM45).
 

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As many of you know I went insane several months ago and acquired a monumental amount of gear. At the core of those purchases were two amps. A Bogner Shiva 20th, and a Bugner Uber Ultra. As a result a lot of my expectations were met. Many of them exceeded.

I’ll start with the Shiva 20th:

This amp is all business. KT88s. Two channels. Both sound great no matter how you dial them in. The boost does what it’s supposed to. The modern mode is cool too for a little variation. It’s very Marshall. Like a JCM with some polish but still VERY angry. Two things surprised me. First…. The cleans on this amp are absolutely stellar. Like… the hair on the back of your neck standing up stellar. I would but again, just for the clean channel. Second surprise. The voicing on the gain channel is very unique. There’s a forwardness to some of the mids that is very aggressive. It matches really well with an EMG equipped guitar. But sounds great to me with anything. It needs low end management below C standard. But most amps do. This mid range character doesn’t really dial out though. So if you’re into it, you’ll adore this amp. If you’re not, you’ll hate it. For what my band does, it sounds fantastic. I could use this one only and be stoked about my tone.

Now the Uber Ultra:

Two channels, global boost, several modes for each channel and one set of modes for the power section, knobs that dial in the amount of said modes. KT88s. 150 watts. This amp also surprised me. I’ll start with the cleans. The cleans are good. Versatile, usable, but not worth keeping the amp for like the Shiva. Which is fine. The cleans on this amp aren’t why you get this amp. The sound much better when you use the amps boost feature. As far as gain is concerned, this amp has something for everyone. From edge of breakup, to the most liquid, searing gain. It can be thick, flabby, dark, and sludgy, or laser focused and tight. This amp doesn’t need a boost. Honestly. You can play a 9 string on it without one and it’s not just a serviceable tone, it’s a great one. This is a tweakers amp. You can spend days messing with it. I don’t, I set and forget. But it’s there if that’s you. I use this one the most with my band because it’s got the gain I want. Could I be happy with the Shiva were I to let this amp go?? Yes. But that will never fucking happen. I’ve had both of these since October. The honeymoon phase is over I still love them both. Dearly. I might add some things at some point like a JC120, AC30, or or some other niche thing that does only what it does. But I will die owning these two.

Here’s the UU in context with my band. Playing a Dunable Minotaur with a Direwolf in the bridge. I’ve since thanked that to a Hell Worm. Direwolf is a little dark, and Bogners are on the smooth side. I wanted something with a little more upper mid bite and hotter. It was a good choice. Those it sounded great before.


Nice write up, and stoked you dig both amps. The Shiva cleans are legendary. I've only tried the Shiva cleans on an FM3, but one day...
 

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Always wanted to try the KT88 Shiva. Heard it has more gain than the older EL34 I had a long time ago. I thought that was a super solid amp. I have a love/hate relationship with the Uber. I thought the Rev Green was cool but nothing I had to have. The Rev Blue was the flubbiest amp I've ever owned, but sounded epic with a boost. I was a big fan of the TJ but I needed a clean channel at the time and it didn't cut it. Would love to try the Ultra but I'm pretty happy with the amps I have now!
 

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I haven't played through a Shiva in years, but it's on the list for some day. I currently have a Rev Blue Uber (which needs a boost for anything remotely tight, but roars when set up correctly), a '96 Ecstasy 101B (boosted blue channel is absolutely amazing, as is the liquid feel of leads as you are playing them), and the new Snorkler, which is a pissed off angry modded Marshall.

They all are awesome and do their own Bogner thing well. Even though I'm currently experimenting with other amps, the Bogners are home to me.
 

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Always wanted to try the KT88 Shiva. Heard it has more gain than the older EL34 I had a long time ago. I thought that was a super solid amp. I have a love/hate relationship with the Uber. I thought the Rev Green was cool but nothing I had to have. The Rev Blue was the flubbiest amp I've ever owned, but sounded epic with a boost. I was a big fan of the TJ but I needed a clean channel at the time and it didn't cut it. Would love to try the Ultra but I'm pretty happy with the amps I have now!

It does have a little more gain. Plus the boost feature is new with that amp too I think.

I haven't played through a Shiva in years, but it's on the list for some day. I currently have a Rev Blue Uber (which needs a boost for anything remotely tight, but roars when set up correctly), a '96 Ecstasy 101B (boosted blue channel is absolutely amazing, as is the liquid feel of leads as you are playing them), and the new Snorkler, which is a pissed off angry modded Marshall.

They all are awesome and do their own Bogner thing well. Even though I'm currently experimenting with other amps, the Bogners are home to me.

I haven’t played an Ecstasy. But I’ve head them in the hands of Vai live in the 90s. Good lord…
 

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I believe @RevDrucifer has a 20th anni Shiva he grabbed on a lark and loves?

Not the 20th Anniversary, unfortunately, just the regular ole green chassis EL34 Shiva.

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While I do love it, I’m selling it as I reeeeaaallllly want some kind of Mesa Mark and my Electra Dyne pretty much covers the mid-gain tones I go for.

That said, I won’t be bummed if it doesn’t sell for a while, I get lost in this amp whenever I play through it. Boosting it with almost any Lovepedal gives such glorious tones. My only gripe about it is the slow ‘attack’ of the amp, without a boost, when I start playing fast it feels like running through mud.

Les Paul/boosted tones- (Suhr Alrdrich in the Orville)


Strat/Boomer tones-
 

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Not the 20th Anniversary, unfortunately, just the regular ole green chassis EL34 Shiva.

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While I do love it, I’m selling it as I reeeeaaallllly want some kind of Mesa Mark and my Electra Dyne pretty much covers the mid-gain tones I go for.

That said, I won’t be bummed if it doesn’t sell for a while, I get lost in this amp whenever I play through it. Boosting it with almost any Lovepedal gives such glorious tones. My only gripe about it is the slow ‘attack’ of the amp, without a boost, when I start playing fast it feels like running through mud.

Les Paul/boosted tones- (Suhr Alrdrich in the Orville)


Strat/Boomer tones-



They sound killer as expected. Definitely different than the 20th though. With the boost on the attack isn’t as sluggish. I don’t typically like saggy amp. But there’s something about this one that makes me smile.
 

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They sound killer as expected. Definitely different than the 20th though. With the boost on the attack isn’t as sluggish. I don’t typically like saggy amp. But there’s something about this one that makes me smile.
bro, Ultra have some or maybe even big noise/hum at high gain as I understand.
but good noise gate pedal will kill this noise, right? no issues?
 

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bro, Ultra have some or maybe even big noise/hum at high gain as I understand.
but good noise gate pedal will kill this noise, right? no issues?

It’s minimal until the boost mode is on and then it’s really noisy. The amp has SO much gain. Way more than anyone ever needs. With a good gate that keys on the front end and gates in the loop, it’s dead silent. I have the four cable Zuul. Works like a charm.

To be honest, if you’re playing modern metal of any kind, you should be using a gate anyway.
 

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bro, Ultra have some or maybe even big noise/hum at high gain as I understand.
but good noise gate pedal will kill this noise, right? no issues?
Pretty much any high gain amp has noise when you use a ton of gain, thats what using a ton of gain does - amplifies.
 

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Pretty much any high gain amp has noise when you use a ton of gain, thats what using a ton of gain does - amplifies.

And the Uber Ultra has SO MUCH gain. All of it useable. But I guarantee that’s why a lot of Engl amps have a gate built in. I think the only critiques I have with the Bogner stuff is no MIDI options and no gate on the Uber Ultra. Beyond that, the Uber Ultra is a damn near perfect high gain amp.
 

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And the Uber Ultra has SO MUCH gain. All of it useable. But I guarantee that’s why a lot of Engl amps have a gate built in. I think the only critiques I have with the Bogner stuff is no MIDI options and no gate on the Uber Ultra. Beyond that, the Uber Ultra is a damn near perfect high gain amp.
agree. also want to see built in gate on every expensive high gain amp.

btw, what gate pedal guys you will advice? smth like Mud killer/Boss NS or we have better gates?

ordered Ultra EL34 yesterday, waiting for shipping.
 
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