Yet another Islamic attack in London...

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  1. Insomnia

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    It's happened again, guys.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-40147014

    This is going to keep on happening to us.

    We need to:
    -Reform Islam.
    -Heighten surveillance.
    -Take a less interventionist policy in the ME.
    -Continue heavy vetting of migrants.

    These are the only ways we can stop this ideology and these attacks without taking the far-right approach of banning Islam and such, which would make things worse.
     
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    jesus, that's terrible.
     
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    I don't see how we can jot down "reform Islam" on a to-do list.
     
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    My main problem with a muslim ban is that it doesn't go far enough. Let's kick out all the religious types and have a nice safe secular society.
     
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    Careful calling it an Islamic attack. You might trigger someone here.
     
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    Let's make churches low-cost housing for scientists ;-)
     
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    Muslims make up almost 5% of the population of the UK. If that was the problem, which it frankly isn't, things would be far worse.

    Going further, with almost 1.7 billion globally, if almost a fifth of the world was a problem, which once again all real data says otherwise, we would have far more issues.

    Blaming a general faith for the actions of a few is ignorant.

    inb4: anecdotes
     
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    I don't blame a general faith. I blame faith in general. I wish people just had the courage to say they dont know what the fuck happens to you when you die, but realize there isn't a magical man in the sky watching us or make assumptions that magical man needs blood to be happy.
     
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    As an atheist, I agree.
     
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    People will be evil with or without gods to believe in (or not believe in).
     
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    I don't believe these guys were just sitting around, born with evil in their hearts, waiting for some opportunity to let it out. These are faith-based attacks, and if you don't want to blame Islam specifically in light of the millions of practitioners who have no ill-will for the west, I think you still must concede that without Islam and without ISIS, these particular attackers were not going to be stabbing people / blowing stuff up. ISIS is a beacon which gives these people purpose, and drives them to action.
     
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    Why not?
     
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    It's not ignorant. Just because the majority don't practice terrorism, it doesn't mean that: a) terrorists are the only fundamentalists/terrorists and b) that those who practice this fundamentalism/terrorism aren't Muslim.

    Islamic terrorism as I see it stems from two places: The Qu'ran, Hadiths, and fundamentalist Islamic preaching, but also western interventionism. You can't blame it entirely on one or the other.

    52% of British Muslims said they thought homosexuality should be illegal. 46% said that those who depict the Prophet Muhammad should have violence called upon them.

    Even if those numbers aren't exactly a majority, they are still shocking. It's about 1 in 2 that holds those sorts of views.
     
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    It is just naïv and against all human history trying to defend religion and islam in particular is not involved in all these attacks.
    Since the beginning religions were use for brainwashing with political and economic purpouses.
     
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    Islam is involved in almost all of these attacks though...?
     
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    In Germany there were some attacks against refugee shelters. In these cases, islam is being the target.Islam was involved, but on the other side.
     
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    Oh, you mean there's more terrorism than Islamic terrorism?

    Yes, you're right...only it's astronomically smaller.
     
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    Don't get me wrong, I am a totally convinced atheist. Actually I managed to get the apostasy in Spain, where I was born, where the country is totally under the control of catholic church.
    I wanted to say that it has happened from the beginning religion is involved in terrorism. Time ago crusades, when Islamic world was imho a more evolved culture. Now it is islam, that's why I said "in all of these", because just before I was talking about a general historical context.
     
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    I dont totally disagree but I would say the types of people attracted to Isis are "those born with evil in their heart waiting for an opportunity to let it out". Its not the religious ideals that the people joining Isis are attracted to and then wooops they get tricked into beheading people, Its the violence they are attracted to. I will conceed that some people need that illusuion of gods will to push them over the edge but I would argue thats the fault of mans nature and the desire to justify atrocities, not the fault of a faith system that majority of other believers follow non violently.
     
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    I think that is insanely unlikely though. There are not that many people born with mental illnesses who have the mental capacity to gang together and find a religion that, under an interpretation of it, supports their terrorism and hatred. Their evilness is caused by their religious conviction...
     

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