Wonder Woman movie

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  1. KnightBrolaire

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    It was good, not amazing. I think it's a one time watch, not something I would revisit ever. Really dug the fight scenes/choreography (for the most part) but some of the line delivery in the beginning was very hammy. Gadot was hit or miss with her delivery at times. Pine was great. Ewen Bremner did a great job as an alcoholic ptsd ridden sniper. Elena Anaya did a good job as Dr. Poison.
    The music definitely didn't help make the opening fight scenes seem epic, just corny. Basically the whole part on Themeskyra was corny, though colorful. I felt like they didn't really dig into the horrors of war, it was all too sanitized for the pg-13 rating imo. WWI was one of the most grueling horrific wars ever. The constant artillery barrages, gas attacks, nighttime trench raids and brutal medieval esque hand to hand combat were not given their dues imo. Yes it wasn't as grimdark as BVS, but with subject matter like WWI you kind of need to do grimdark (at least for those parts of the film).
     
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    I liked it. Wasnt THE movie, but pretty good. Good like Cap America 1, great movie but not amazing.

    I for one I actually liked Mas of Steel. I though it was great to see a more "realistic" version of superman and I enjoy it as a more of the self-discovery journey, I didnt mind the color tone of the movie either. Problem for me was that due to now every superhero movie for some reason "needs" to have that bigger than life villan, the movie evolved to that fight/ending, but due to the long back history part of the movie they didnt really give time for him to be "superman" first, they trow him into the battle right away

    either way, back to WW. movie was great, I love that they didnt overuse her music "theme". Something I really really hated in BvS, people "oh I love her score"... bullcrap, her music score stood up like a sore thumb in that movie. Its like they used orchestra score for the whole thing and for that one scene they put barney the dinosaur tv theme. It didnt fit, and it made it way too stupid obvious. like "hey kids, this is a superhero.. get it?...good.. her name is wonder woman....can you repeat that?...good.." So for once was good that in her movie they didnt overuse her score and when it was played it felt more blended with the rest of it.

    Gal was "ok". I think its more of the character itself factor and because shes hot. But actress?....meh really, she did her part, wasnt amazing, wasnt bad, maybe its jsut the script/direction/whatever?. Shes hot to look at and keep me watching lol. But I agree with some other internet comments on she should have been more ripped if she supposed to be THE warrior whos been training since she was a kid. Gal just looked "normal", fit. But not athletic fit. I think this was a missed opportunity to show the world that a woman its more beautiful when has an athletic body rather than just another "thin" actress. And maybe Im cherry picking here, but the need to put heels on her costume?, tha F that purpose does for "battle", apart from the "shes a girl, so she must have some sort of heel on her shoes/boots/costume, because girl" hollywod cliché. Again another missed opportunity for hollywood to dial down on the women stereotype in movies.

    speaking on her costume I loved they ditched the american flag out of it. And this is something I really liked about the movie too. For once the movie wasnt a " 'murica..u..s...a...u..s..a..u..s..a..." fest. Not even one mention of it, which I found awesome.

    my only complain was about the very last scene
    why she goes into the roof and randomly jumps into, pretty much nothing?..... I get it, its the cheesy superhero ending movie cliche thing, but apart from "shes being a superhero", was was the reason?, seem no sign of danger, and where she was jump into? the boat? WTF?

    either way, great movie, glad to see it at the cinema, and happy to see it again when I can dowloaded
     
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    Bloody_Inferno Silence is Violence

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    Perhaps I was too subtle? :lol:

    Now since most of us has seen Wonder Woman, for me to continue ragging on the DCEU movies before it would be stubborn, churlish and counter productive: So let's keep doing it!

    Correct to a degree. Hell, I'd list movies like Pulp Fiction, Memento and Cloud Atlas as great movies (IMO) that completely break my said criteria. But again as already stated, MOS, BVS and SS screenplay and structural flaws stick out like a sore itch now that WW is out. The first 2 movies often are so incoherent in flow that it feels like an over enthusiastic child telling a story to his friends during recess, going for as much exposition as possible. You don't need to be a film graduate to see that they're both over bloated and messily put together (Lois Lane, and obviously Lex Luther). Plot focal points and certain character actions make no damn sense and everyone knows that Superman's BVS arc is completely undermined with the existence of Justice League... ok I'll let that one pass for the non comic book fans, but at the same time...

    Suicide Squad has the same problems but done more obviously. The post production interference hurt this movie a lot yes, but the whole movie is contrived as all hell, going around with a forced sense of fun. Both this and BVS got extended cuts, but if we as an audience are expected to continually play the song and dance to wait for the uncut home editions because the theatrical cut just didn't, well, 'cut' it, then there's trouble in the ranks in these group of professionals (BVS costed half a billion to make dammit). Fine, Apocalypse Now, fine Kingdom Of Heaven, but in a shared universe twice in a row? No.

    I'm not even going to comment on other franchises like Transformers or Pirates Of The Caribbean.

    More BVS pettiness. :D The theme song itself is fine. But agreed with the above, when completely misused on that once scene, you know, the unsubtle overlong overbloated preview for the subsequent solo movies.



    Ok that's enough bile and venom. Wonder Woman...

    I will say that the Amazon part of the first act was a little under utilized. Diana's origin takes a leaf from the New 52 canon, though I wished they incorporated more of the classic origin, the whimsical and weird side of things. Still, I'm glad they didn't give WW the look with the awkward pants. And the Amazons themselves could be more developed.

    I also wished that they developed more on Diana's moral dilemma rather than to squeeze as much as they did all in the third act. Possibly to balance the rather forgettable villain that most MCU origin movies are cursed with. There's the obligatory Snyder slo mo stuff, but they're tolerable here. I did giggle at one shot where WW flexed in rage. :lol:

    And hey, a movie (that's not Rise Of The Guardians) where Chris Pine is actually good. :lol:
     
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    I saw it earlier today. I really liked it. The themes, the story, the visuals; thoroughly good. The fact that Gal Gadot is painfully gorgeous doesn't make it any worse to watch.

    It wasn't flawless. There were a few lazy tropes in there, but I thought that overall it was done well enough to forgive those bits. I was happy to suspend disbelief.

    As someone who has spent a fair chunk of time studying WWI, I thought it was the perfect stage for this story. It was amusing to see them take an interesting figure like Ludendorff and make him into a comic villain.
     
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    Good movie, I enjoyed everything except the fight in the end which I thought was a bit too much (visual effects etc). Hoping to see more of her.
     
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    Honestly, I think this comment makes me more enthusiastic to see the film than not. Not because I have some sort of weird desire to support stereotyping of anyone, but because I don't think that just because the word "woman" is in the title that the film needs to be a tool for activism. I wanted to like the Supergirl TV show, but it spends sooooo much time beating you over the head with feminism, while still doing all the kinds of things that, in my mind, sort of miss the point in terms of trying to improve the portrayal of women.
     
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    i will never understand the appeal of that show. I tried watching the first 2 episodes and couldn't stand it.
     
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    ^ And yet, official critical reception is that it was basically the perfect TV show. It could do no wrong.
     
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    I wasnt talking about "feminism" f that, Im with you that Im sick of the curretn trend to make everything a PC activist parade. And no, this movie doesnt touch the subject at all, which you would be happy to hear, and which I though it was great as it could have been so easy to do so, yet they didnt do it. I was jsut cherry picking stupid details like putting heels on her costume. Not because Im trying to "defend womens", but more because I think its stupid, and theres no reason on why to do so. It doesnt serves a purpose, it doesnt fit with her character, it doesnt makes sense for her character, and it wouldnt had made any difference, since I bet lot of people didnt notice. But I do bet you was un-comfortable for her. But it was there because "shes a girl". Like I want them to drop down the stereotypes, but thats it, I dont want them to go in the opposite direction and scream it to the whole world to see, just drop it and move on, no talk, no parade, just be normal.. That for me its always been IMO the best solution for topics like that of "equality" or whatever, the more you talk about it and the more you point at it, the more separation you create, the only way to "fix it", its for you to do your part and shut up about it. Just like this movie "here, amazing superhero girl movie" and done, nothing is being said in the movie about it, its just is. And althouhg they ofcourse might have promote it bit here and there, it wasnt really much, not like the gosthbusters one, where was a "look at UUSSSSS, we have a vaginaaaaaaaa" kinda marketing about it

    same with you, I watched prob 1 season?, not sure if I reach the second one. Mostly because I dont own a TV so everything I watch is online, so there wasnt anythiing to watch. But I got tired of it reaaaally quick. Bad bad bad scrit, storylines, huge plot holes. Things that makes no sense. "ho look its the personal assistant to the most bossiest boss ever in history!!.." yet shes able to disapear from her work for hours, come back and her boss doesnt notice?, in every episode?... yeah I know "its a TV show"... but they exagerate that and stuff like that all the time and I couldnt stand it.
     
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    popular opinion vs critics, it doesn't hold up nearly as well. From what I've read/the little bit I've watched it's just another mediocre CW superhero show, just more female centric.
    http://www.metacritic.com/tv/supergirl-2015
    There's a lot of outliers on the user scores (for both ends of the spectrum) but I think that there's more than enough data points there to mitigate those outliers. The user score should offer a more representative aggregate score/public opinion on the show.
     
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    A-Branger posted a ton on this, and I don't agree with all of it, but I pretty much agree with the general thrust of his statements that the marketing could have gone very wrong and they've done all the right things here. The film is being co-opted by fans and random clickbait writers everywhere as a tool for activism, but unlike Ghostbusters, the entire studio and the maker of the movie aren't being d-bags trying to constantly talk about how you're sexist if you don't like it and OMG THIS IS SO PROGRESSIVE and all that crap. It makes its point all the stronger by not screeching it. I've seen tons of reactions from women that it's incredibly empowering, but the movie itself is never doing so in a way that could ever offend any but the most staunch sexists out there.

    I watched it with one of my mega-conservative friends and his reaction was basically "I liked that they never did anything in your face, like I was expecting her to have some idiotic line like 'I AM NO MAN' when they were talking about no-man's land and she decided to cross it. Also, I liked that they actually included things that women do better than men, such as be more empathetic and nurturing, as opposed to just trying to be like 'WOMEN CAN DO ANYTHING A MAN CAN DO THEY ARE EQUAL!!!'" He and I have very different thoughts on "gender roles," and I was pleasantly surprised to find this movie didn't offend even someone like him.

    Regarding the costume, I get that it looks sexist in a vacuum, but at least they went to a lot of length to contextualize it. Like, they make it a logical extension from what the Amazons were wearing. And...check out what the ancient Greek MEN wore into battle:

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    It's really not that bad. Certainly a lot less bad than the comic/70s show outfits. The high heels thing is slightly valid, but they make it look like actual armor all the way down. It's not stilettos or jutting heels anything like that (ex, BLACK WIDOW in the Marvel universe, or practically any action lady).

    HOWEVER, as I mentioned before, the frickin Justice League trailer has MULTIPLE shots where the camera is looking directly up her skirt as she does sweep kicks, cause Zach Snyder is only a bit better than Michael Bay, who has to film every woman as pornily as possible.

    Oh, and for your daily dose of brain failure, check out this article from the outrage-o-sphere:

    https://wearyourvoicemag.com/more/entertainment/gal-gadot-wonder-woman-white-feminist-hero

    God, I hate the outrage-o-sphere.
     
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    Ehh some of the amason's outfits were a bit impractical,but I came to watch a superhero movie, not an ancient greek period piece. I did like how they emulated the hoplite armor/helmets on some of the amazons though, that was a nice touch. I think people are forgetting the fact that there's at least one slow mo shot in the film of an amazon doing a flip or something, showing off her panties underneath the battle skirt.
    The crap about gaza is ridiculous. I'm sure there's other libtards out there that boycotted the film because hurr not having melissa mccarthy play wonder woman is discrimination against fat women or some other equally ridiculous idea.
     
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    Yeah, I think we're all three on the same page, roughly. While I've got some less-than-popular opinions about gender and roles and feminism and all that stuff, I'm far from opposed to empowered portrayals of women. When I watched the Supergirl show, there were several scenes that existed purely for the activism, and it ruined the show for me. I vaguely remember a scene where the main character and her boss have a discussion about what it means to "be a good feminist", and scenes like that made it very clear that they were trying to send a very specific political message at the expense of good storytelling. I was worried, given all the co-opting of the film for activism, that this was going to go the same way.

    IMO, I think there's something to be said of the film being an opportunity to do right by women- but without it being sort of "politicized". I want to watch a movie about an empowered woman fighting bad guys. I don't want to watch a movie about an activist fighting the patriarchy, disguised as a movie about an empowered woman fighting bad guys.
     
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    It's an outrage that seems to swing in both directions as there's a minority of online WW articles that masquerade as reviews but are actually cynical tabloid rage pieces about how Gadot's support for the Israeli military means she's pure evil and therefore isn't fit to play the character or how this movie is some kind of politically correct liberal propaganda.
    :coffee:
     
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    Iw as going to mention that but you beat me to it. That shes from Israel, which I thoguh it was awesome that they didnt trow another american actor. And about her with the army thing I dont know the full story, but I do know from my group of Israeli friends that everyone in the country needs to serve in the army for a period of time (forgot how long, if its 1-2 years minimum)
     
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    it's 2 years minimum. same as germany, sweden, south korea and some other countries iirc.
     
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    None of the countries you listed have compulsory conscription for both sexes like Israel does.

    Germany: Voluntary
    Sweden: Was compulsory. Someone claimed it was sexist that men had to serve, but women did not, so it's now voluntary.
    South Korea: 21-36 months compulsory, depending on branch and function. Men only.

    Israel: 2 years for women, 32 months for men.

    Apples and oranges, if you ask me.
     
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    I didn't realize Sweden had that. I think Switzerland was the only one I had heard of apart from Israel. For them, it looks like for women it's voluntary and for men it's mandatory. So, Israel may be the most hardcore as far as the 1st world is concerned?
     
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    huh, it's been a while since I looked at stuff like that, guess I forgot. my bad.
     
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    If it's gotten so petty as to criticize a few seconds worth of music, I have to ask if some people aren't going into the movie determined to dislike it.
     
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