What's going with ESP?

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  1. absolutorigin

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  2. absolutorigin

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    Well, no shit :lol:. Does anyone actually care about Wylde Audio? Irrelevant in this whole thing, but ESP might as well be Wylde Audio in my head as I just don't care for them :D. Obviously, I'm exaggerating a bit here.
     
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  3. Andromalia

    Andromalia Pardon my french

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    " a bit" might be the understatement of the millenium here :D
     
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    You asked and answered the question right there.
     
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    Yeah so maybe i didnt explain myself properly, as a teenager theres no way i could afford an ESP so the next best thing was the LTD but i still longed for the legit thing. Later in life i was able to achieve that with SV. Now when i look at an E-II it does not make me feel the same way ESP's did. ITs part of how the guitar looks, which is massive deciding factor on why anyone buys guitar. I know you love Esp, iv seen all your Posts about esp, but heres the thing. Its fine to take an objective opinion about things you like.
     
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    Ikke A Dream Cartographer

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    Your anecdote is subjective, no? Then you end by saying “take an objective opinion”. Did you mean to say subjective? Not being condescending, just asking.
     
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    Andromalia Pardon my french

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    Well, let's be honest, most people here discovered ESP though Metallica playing them. That ESP logo (the old one) is an icon in its own right, compounded by the fact that most of us didn't have the money to buy those at the time. I don't know about the USA, but ESPs in the 90es were ******* expensive, I remember trying a KH2 through an ADA MP2 and nearly fainting when I got told the price. There was a custom V thing that cost more than a month of a very well off person salary. (12K francs in 1992, that's 2K€, with inflation it would likely reach today's customs 6K)
     
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    Yep. I'll buy an E-II if it's exactly what I want. But it won't "look as cool" as if it said ESP on the headstock.

    However, anyone dumb enough to think the quality differs at all between an E-II and an old standard series probably works at guitar center.
     
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    Let's say the name itself wont help against the akward feeling of spending big money on a less than excellent instrument.
    I mean, "LTD"s were called this way to make em look somehow Limited, Deluxe (and though they are not, the name still is somehow catchy, works)..."E-II" sounds more like "you're gettin a 2k second choice" ( which they are, compared to Original series, but not very smart make the thing this noticeable).
     
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    The Standard Series left us at the end of 2012. We've known about E-II since 2013. The guitars are the same, sometimes the prices are cheaper. We get hardshell cases included now.
    Seriously, it's been five years. What's the statute of limitations on crying about how your ex is gone when your new partner is here to stay?
     
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    Ask the people who still say they won't buy one due to the name. I want one of several M series right now. I'm just holding out for a reverse blade headstock. I'm only 28, I got time ESP.
     
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    I don't get it either, its just a logo, if people are buying ESP because of a name on the headstock then aren't they buying them for the wrong reasons? End of the day the E-II guitars are great quality, albeit a little bland at times :)
     
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    FitRocker33 My tone is tighter than my hamstrings

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    I say fuck it all, I'm just gonna sell all my pointy guitars and have an arsenal of flower shaped Daisy Rock guitars. Who's with Me??!
     
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    ESP or EII on the hadstock the vintage Black Ecllipse is still the sex. Totally would satisfy my black beauty fetish and its just sooo slick.
     
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    subjective, objective, gold jacket green jacket, who gives a s%^T. I love esp, hell id own an E2 if it came up at a great price, i actually own an Edwards flying V i picked up in japan for 500$ feels better than any gibson v iv tried at stores. My point is, even though i love esp it is my opinion that e-2 on the headstock takes away some of the nostalgia for me. and since i wont be able to afford to drop 5 or 6 k on a USA or Original series, its just disappointing. Its not a personal attack at ESP lol.
     
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    Not really, its like going out to buy a ferrari but only being able to get it in standard white. But if you pay more you can have it in ferrari red. you can still buy it and drive it and it handles and performs just like all the other ferrari's great. But is the feeling when you walk up to get into it the same as if it was the iconic ferrari red. ?
     
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    Nothing about this comparison is anywhere near correct.
     
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    Maybe Ferrari should make a cheaper line called F-2, I'd get one! :fawk:
     
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    FitRocker33 My tone is tighter than my hamstrings

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    No they'll make a line for the United States market and it'll be called F-U 2. Pun intended? You be the judge.
     
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    Not the same comparison.

    If you pay more for the ESP over the E-II you are getting a different guitar completely. E-II is just the same as the ESP originals, that's kind of the point.

    You are still getting the "ESP" only the logo is different, it would be like wanting to buy a Ferrari F360 but now its called a G850, just because it doesn't say F360 shouldn't stop you from buying it if its exactly the same car.

    A better analogy would be something along the lines of, "you can by the same car as last year, for a little less but with a different badge on it, or you can spend a decent amount more, for something completely different but you will have the badge you really want".
     
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