The Carvin / Kiesel thread

Discussion in 'Standard Guitars' started by soliloquy, May 22, 2011.

  1. Albake21

    Albake21 "Just get a used Ibanez Prestige."

    Messages:
    1,597
    Likes Received:
    969
    Joined:
    Jul 19, 2017
    Location:
    Chicago, IL
    Ahh yeah I saw that one. Headless guitars just aren't for me.
     
  2. spudmunkey

    spudmunkey SS.org Regular

    Messages:
    1,079
    Likes Received:
    696
    Joined:
    Mar 7, 2010
    Location:
    Near San Francisco
    Two more:

    • - Rosewood backplates and TRCs being discontinued

    • - White Limba tops discontinued
     
    Albake21 likes this.
  3. Albake21

    Albake21 "Just get a used Ibanez Prestige."

    Messages:
    1,597
    Likes Received:
    969
    Joined:
    Jul 19, 2017
    Location:
    Chicago, IL
    That was super surprising to hear about the X220's. While I knew they weren't big sellers, I didn't think they were selling that poorly. For anyone who didn't see, Jeff gave us the numbers on X220 sales in 2018. Out of 2130 guitars sold so far in 2018, only two X220's have been sold. Pretty crazy.
     
  4. spudmunkey

    spudmunkey SS.org Regular

    Messages:
    1,079
    Likes Received:
    696
    Joined:
    Mar 7, 2010
    Location:
    Near San Francisco
    in a video a couple months ago, if i remember right, he said he has to believe that a new model will sell 25 or 50 a year (I don't remember which) before it justifies the R&D to bring the model to market, and once it drops below 10, it's likely not going to stick around, especially if it has bespoke parts.

    The one saving grace for the Bolt, which doesn't seem to sell in very-high numbers and uses a bespoke part for which they need to have at least 16 different versions of (the pickguard, for R&L handed, at least two bridge types, 4 materials and HSS and SSS) is the Carvin logo.

    I'm positive that the only reason the Bolt is still badged a Carvin is to hold the trademark, so that nobody else can use it. in the US, you can't just register a name and squat on it. you have to "make a bonafide effort" to actually use the trademark to keep it. This is why even though I had a custom acoustic built with my own name and logo, I've never posted an image of the headstock on the offchance that one day i want to brand a guitar that I build with this logo...and I don't show it, because I know i won't be able to do anything with it in a year, which is i think how long you have after registering it actually try to do something with it.

    And as long as they have at least one guitar with "Carvin" on it, I'm sure that's enough to keep it.

    ...although I think there's one last other model with "Carvin" on the headstock is the JB200C...ok, so maybe the Bolt isn't as safe as i thought when I started writing this. Ha!
     
    Last edited: Jul 10, 2018
  5. MatiasTolkki

    MatiasTolkki Burn In Agony

    Messages:
    1,407
    Likes Received:
    613
    Joined:
    Oct 19, 2017
    Location:
    Nagoya, Japan
    Well Chris told me that the Carvin logo will NEVER come off the JB200s, and the only two models that have that logo are the bolt and JB200, so they can hold the copyright even with the just the JB200 I think.
     
  6. MatiasTolkki

    MatiasTolkki Burn In Agony

    Messages:
    1,407
    Likes Received:
    613
    Joined:
    Oct 19, 2017
    Location:
    Nagoya, Japan
    That's pretty insane. It also doesnt help that they increased the prices on pointies a couple years ago, which just makes it even harder to justify buying one when there are other guitars that they offer that are so much cheaper.
     
  7. spudmunkey

    spudmunkey SS.org Regular

    Messages:
    1,079
    Likes Received:
    696
    Joined:
    Mar 7, 2010
    Location:
    Near San Francisco
    I've been on the lookout for a Carvin VT16 amp head, their little vintage 16w tweed-patterned-tolex-covered unit, for a couple of years.

    17 hours after making the decision to completely revamp my amp setup and going with a Helix and a FR and buying the helix...a like-new VT16 pops up on Craigslist, 15-20 minutes away from my home at an OK price. :facepalm:
     
  8. MatiasTolkki

    MatiasTolkki Burn In Agony

    Messages:
    1,407
    Likes Received:
    613
    Joined:
    Oct 19, 2017
    Location:
    Nagoya, Japan
    This is why you dont buy digital ;)
     
  9. Albake21

    Albake21 "Just get a used Ibanez Prestige."

    Messages:
    1,597
    Likes Received:
    969
    Joined:
    Jul 19, 2017
    Location:
    Chicago, IL
    Well now you just have to buy both :D
     
  10. KnightBrolaire

    KnightBrolaire self-appointed sso pickup tester

    Messages:
    9,277
    Likes Received:
    6,304
    Joined:
    Mar 19, 2015
    Location:
    minnesotahhh
    meh the x220 looks stupid, same with the ultra v. I'm glad the x220 is going away.
     
    xzacx and Albake21 like this.
  11. The906

    The906 Hella rad Contributor

    Messages:
    1,135
    Likes Received:
    989
    Joined:
    Feb 5, 2018
    111000111001011110010101110!!!!:hber:
     
  12. spudmunkey

    spudmunkey SS.org Regular

    Messages:
    1,079
    Likes Received:
    696
    Joined:
    Mar 7, 2010
    Location:
    Near San Francisco
    01001000 01100001 01110010 00101101 01100100 01100101 01100101 00101101 01101000 01100001 01110010 00101101 01101000 01100001 01110010
     
  13. MatiasTolkki

    MatiasTolkki Burn In Agony

    Messages:
    1,407
    Likes Received:
    613
    Joined:
    Oct 19, 2017
    Location:
    Nagoya, Japan
    Hey watch it, the X220 was cool. I spent a lot of time deciding between an X220 and V220, and while I chose the v220, I wish I coulda had an X220 as well.

    And to add to the great design of the V/X models, the longer bottom horn allows you to hold it against your leg for soloing, exactly how Glenn Tipton used to use his old Hamer with that over-extended bottom horn (which he has said was completely intentional for that exact purpose). So don't knock those designs unless you've actually seen how functional they actually are.
     
  14. KnightBrolaire

    KnightBrolaire self-appointed sso pickup tester

    Messages:
    9,277
    Likes Received:
    6,304
    Joined:
    Mar 19, 2015
    Location:
    minnesotahhh
    a jackson star or warrior both achieve the same goal without looking as dumb imo
     
    Wolfhorsky likes this.
  15. MatiasTolkki

    MatiasTolkki Burn In Agony

    Messages:
    1,407
    Likes Received:
    613
    Joined:
    Oct 19, 2017
    Location:
    Nagoya, Japan
    The horns are shorter on the bottom, which is NOT how you get that functionality. There's a reason having a longer lower horn works. Glenn Tipton's hamer looks ugly as sin with that overlong bottom horn, but it works perfectly for what it was designed for, which is the same thing that you can do with the X/V220s and even the Ultra Vs.
     
  16. KnightBrolaire

    KnightBrolaire self-appointed sso pickup tester

    Messages:
    9,277
    Likes Received:
    6,304
    Joined:
    Mar 19, 2015
    Location:
    minnesotahhh
    yes i understand that it has a longer lower horn, i'm not blind. the longer upper horn on the star and warrior both help keep the guitar stable/comfy in a classical position or standing. hell even the dean ml is good for that, and it's almost as ugly as the x220
     
    The906 likes this.
  17. xzacx

    xzacx SS.org Regular

    Messages:
    1,192
    Likes Received:
    707
    Joined:
    Mar 7, 2006
    Location:
    cleveland
    I don’t believe for a second that those designs were done with functionality in mind as much as they were to look enough different from previous designs as to not get sued.
     
  18. MatiasTolkki

    MatiasTolkki Burn In Agony

    Messages:
    1,407
    Likes Received:
    613
    Joined:
    Oct 19, 2017
    Location:
    Nagoya, Japan
    I never said they were designed for that purpose. I said that it was functional and that makes the designs GOOD. I wish people would actually stop reading between the lines and just read what is written, because i'm not some kinda person who writes something only to have it mean something else.
     
  19. Lemons

    Lemons SS.org Regular

    Messages:
    528
    Likes Received:
    247
    Joined:
    May 9, 2015
    Location:
    Canberra, Australia
    Didn't you just spend 10 pages bashing Kiesel only to flip completely and order a brand new one?
     
  20. MatiasTolkki

    MatiasTolkki Burn In Agony

    Messages:
    1,407
    Likes Received:
    613
    Joined:
    Oct 19, 2017
    Location:
    Nagoya, Japan
    except I was very direct in what I said and changing my mind does NOT equate to someone putting words in my mouth.
     

Share This Page