Strat/tele fretless 30,8" baritone

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  1. mister V

    mister V Low frequencies obsession syndrome

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    finalizing the headstock
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    oh well, there is one more side to carve IMG_20180508_192929.jpg

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    lets see how it all looks together now. And here is the glass fretboard (it is not attached, just lying over)
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    I made a 12mm roundover to make the side dots clearly visible in the neck pocket IMG_20180509_202159.jpg
     
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    mister V Low frequencies obsession syndrome

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    there are some mounting holes left to do IMG_20180510_193952.jpg

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    earlier there were some troubles with holes for tuners. Time to return to this problem. I don't have a special reamer. But I found an old drill bit that was abused so much that it has a taper from its base to its end. So I checked in which place the taper has the right diameter for press-in bushings. You can see some of my test holes in this picture IMG_20180510_204306.jpg

    I marked the stop point on the bit
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    wait, this hole is too wide
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    success!
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    now I can re-drill old holes to 8 mm first. They were 6 mm on the backside of the headstock IMG_20180511_185127.jpg
     
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    mister V Low frequencies obsession syndrome

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    I reamed the second and the sixth holes (don't ask why not the first and the sixth). Marked the guide line with tape IMG_20180511_190111.jpg

    looks good. After this shot was taken I pressed the bushings in
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    I forgot that I have a killswitch
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    here is the channel down there
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    if you have a question about strange killswitch position - I like it to be under the middle finger of my picking hand IMG_20180511_201757.jpg
     
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    mister V Low frequencies obsession syndrome

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    I want to mount humbucker with bolts, not screws. I need threaded inserts. But there are no M2 or M3 threaded inserts in hardware stores. OK, I have to make them by myself IMG_20180512_131843.jpg

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    don't know the right word in english... how do you name the thing for making thread? Tap? Well, this thing broke.
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    good for me that I have a soviet-style set of taps. This set includes 3 taps for every thread size - you should make a thread in three runs. Works great
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    the first insert (on the left) had a hole slightly off-center, so I made another one
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    mister V Low frequencies obsession syndrome

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    why are these wooden plugs there? Because I messed up the holes for threaded inserts of course
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    lets put the body with glued-in plugs aside. I don't want the false-fretboard to be mirror-like, so instead of sanding it with highest sandpaper grits I start with 80 grit to make some scratches IMG_20180512_162810.jpg

    some aluminum powder with 320 grit IMG_20180512_171813.jpg

    320, 600, up to 800 IMG_20180512_173305.jpg

    plugs routed flush IMG_20180512_174920.jpg

    ...and I messed up the holes again. Where are the plugs?
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    mister V Low frequencies obsession syndrome

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    success! Only three attempts. Could be worse IMG_20180512_192254.jpg
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    false-fretboard now has various scratches from various sandpaper grits. Lets polish it and look what we will get IMG_20180514_201919.jpg

    I forgot about jack plate hole that I wanted to redo. The plug is glued in IMG_20180515_223606.jpg
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    scratched but shiny, I like it IMG_20180516_190243.jpg

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    mister V Low frequencies obsession syndrome

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    There was more polishing done, a lot of polishing, but I did not take any pictures of that.

    Now I can return to the problem with the heel. I accidentally ran with 12 mm roundover bit right on the heel and don't like the looks. So I carved away this part of heel (12 mm thick, not the full thickness of the heel), using the corner of neck pocket template as a guide
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    so I can use the corner of the neck template to route a pice of maple to the shape that I need
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    the piece is glued in IMG_20180517_213801.jpg

    and routed flush with the remaining heel IMG_20180518_181847.jpg

    the plug in the jack plate hole is routed flush, and I made a construction (with two boards and the body clamped between them) that will help me to use my router for making the new hole for jack plate
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    I am more satisfied with this result than with previous recess that was too deep and had an uneven edge IMG_20180518_202209.jpg
     
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    mister V Low frequencies obsession syndrome

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    two roundovers meet there, I need a transition IMG_20180518_203436.jpg

    the new neck bolt hole is drilled, the washer is recessed
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    lets check the looks IMG_20180518_210029.jpg

    not bad IMG_20180518_210043.jpg

    pine is very soft, so I glued flat washers in the recesses for the neck bolts IMG_20180519_161151_1.jpg

    transition between two roundovers is done. You can think that it looks strange, but I like a visible piece of maple with the right roundover better than if there was pine with giant 12 mm accidental roundover IMG_20180519_162824.jpg

    all is sanded up to 600 grit
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    the neck is sanded too, but I did not take any pictures
     
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    mister V Low frequencies obsession syndrome

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    all that is left to do is applying some finish.

    It will be:
    oil-based stain (ZAR, coastal boards (white) for the body and salem maple for the neck)
    Tung oil (ZAR again)
    And maybe gloss wipe-on poly, but I will test it first

    I have no experience with applying guitar finishes, so lets see how it will go

    first coat on the body
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    first coat on the neck
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    two coats on the body IMG_20180521_194216.jpg

    two coats on the neck
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    three coats on the body
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    I stopped at three coats. Now I want to sand the body lightly and to apply a very thin last coat of stain. It have some inconsistent spots at the moment.
     
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    This is exceptionally cool !
     
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    I think I can speak for all of us who are following this thread, you are obligated to post some VIDEOS of it playing when finished. :D
     
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    Nice build thread! Looking forward to more :yesway:
     
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    mister V Low frequencies obsession syndrome

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    I will shoot a video :) I have a home-style recording setup (2x12 cab, mic, external soundcard) so I will try and do my best to show you how it sounds.

    I sanded the body lightly and applied one more coat of white oil. I don't like the result (a lot of blotchy spots). Not really bad, you can see this spots only if you look closely, so I think it's time to say "well, I can live with that" again and leave it as it is. I will sand it with high grit and apply first coat of Tung oil today.

    The neck is covered with first coat of Tung oil.

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    How does the glass+metal+wood neck combo hold up with changes in temperature and air moisture?

    What do you do with playing fretless fingerboard?

    This looks quite nice! I hope to see much more.
     
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    mister V Low frequencies obsession syndrome

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    I already experimented with glass+aluminum as a neck (project #3, you can see it in the first post here). This combo has been working exeptionally well for 2 or 3 years (later I disasembled this guitar). The neck was dead straight, the glass did not crack.

    In this build I added wood to the neck, so we will see how it will go :) Aluminum tube with 2 mm thick walls + glued onto it 2 mm aluminum false-fretboard are so stiff that I highly doubt that the wood part of the neck will seriously affect the stability of the whole neck.

    About the "what do you do" part of your question - do you mean what kind of music I play? Metal :) Well, something heavily distorted with a high-gain amp. I will make few sound samples (and try to shoot a video) so later you can check how it sounds.

    I applied first coat of Tung oil on the body and second coat on the neck.
    Not sure how much coats I will do, but the layers are super thin so I think I will need somewhere around 8-10 coats. The speed of applying is 1 coat in a day, I am not in a hurry with that.

    If someone here has an experience with applying Tung oil as a guitar finish - how much coats did you do and how satisfying was the result?
     
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    I hope to hear samples of fretless metal. :)
     
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    Dude, you are quite the innovative builder! This is an awesome experiment, and I especially like your attitude of "I will address this problem later." Reading that in a very calm Russian accent is entertaining.
     
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    mister V Low frequencies obsession syndrome

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    I like experiments :) There is no interest for me to start a build of an ordinary (spec wise) guitar, I always want to try something unusual.

    About my method of solving problems with my builds: when I run into a problem I just have to stop, calm down and put aside whatever I was working on. If I will try to fix something immediately, I have a great chance to ruin all beyond repair. So I make a deep breath, say "well, I will return to this problem later" and continue to work with something else. I had some serious issues with f***ing up the whole builds by trying to fix not so bad mistakes immediately.

    And back to this build: I decided to stop with 5 coats of Tung oil.
    First coat of wipe-on poly is applied.

    When I applied the fourth coat of Tung oil, I found out one more problem. I forgot to clean the aluminum false-fretboard's edges. They all were covered with stain. I spent about an hour in attempts to clean them and not to ruin the finish of the rest of the neck. All went not that bad, I used the piece of the same 2 mm thick aluminum as a scraper - I attached it to the flat piece of plywood so I can move the plywood right over the fretboard (sliding on the surface) while the edge of the aluminum piece was removing the stain from the fretboard edge.
    I am not sure that you will understand this part above (bad english), and I did not make any pictures during the process.
    Well, if you look on the pictures below, you will see that the edge of false-fretboard is much cleaner than it was before.
    (edit: you will not see that... the neck on the picture hangs at bad angle. I will post pictures with fretboard edge "before" and "after" later).

    So here are body and neck with first coat of wipe-on poly:

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    Can you post some clips of what kind of music you play on these things? Very curious.
     

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