Officer Mohamed Noor fatal shooting of Justine Damond

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  1. bostjan

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    Mount it on the "accessory rail" on the frame in front of the trigger guard. They have combination flashlights/lasers and shit that mount there I am sure a mobile phone sized camera would be no problem to fit in. Have it permanently mounted with a switch inside the frame activated by a trigger pull. Or have it set up to be activated similar to the lanyard safety (a police sidearm with a coiled lanyard that if pulled out of the pistol activates a safety where the weapon cannot be fired [in case a person takes the weapon from the officer so it can't be used against them or anyone else]) so that as soon as the weapon is drawn from the holster it begins recording.
     
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    Hey, glad to see some movement on this front.

    Reading between the lines elsewhere, you seem to know much more about this stuff than, well, certainly me, but also probably more than a handful of our membership. I think having it begin to record as soon as it's drawn from the holster makes more sense than a trigger pull, since I have to imagine what happens in the seconds to minutes before the trigger is pulled matters just as much as that instant. Would it make more sense though to have it begin recording from the moment the safety is flipped, or do police issue weapons not generally have safeties? I'd think they would, but, well, I think rather a lot of things that seem to not be standard with police protocol, so whatever. :lol:
     
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    That is actually a good idea too. Either way I don't see it being used unless it's forced on them. Having it integrated inside the weapon would need to be a proprietary weapon or a very competent gunsmith able to do the modifications in each department. Police agencies are able to order the weapons that they want. There are a lot of different sidearms in use by local, state, and federal agencies all over the country. You would also have the officers that have some conveniently placed "obstruction" over the lens.
     
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    I think that could be dealt with, though - if the penalty for pulling the trigger (or even taking a gun off safety) with an "obstructed" lens was high enough (i.e - not that dissimilar from a wrongful use of force conviction), then you'd see a whole heck of a lot less "obstructed lenses."

    There's a secondary benefit, too - I think most of us are in agreement that, in return for granting a law enforcement officer the ability to use lethal force, you're also granting them the obligation to be extremely judicious in how they use that force. Not to shoot first and think later, but be absolutely certain that their or someone else's life is on the line before they pull the trigger. Having a guaranteed recording of the shooting is a deterrent, sure... But, if you as the officer were also worried about the outside chance of a camera malfunction/accidental obstruction/any other reason why the camera could somehow fail to record and you would face hefty consequences for pulling the trigger... Well, you'd need to be pretty damned sure that pulling the trigger was justified.
     
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    I mentioned this wayyyy back in the beginning of this thread, but I think the easiest way is to have the camera act work like the grip-activated lasers/taclights. Cop grabs his pistol, bam- it starts recording everything. cop lets go of their pistol grip- then pistol stops recording.
     
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    I admit I'm about ten years behind on gun tech but I remember the grip lasers being pretty hard for me to activate. Unless it could be tied in to a grip safety button like on a 1911 style pistol.
     
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    there's some really easy to use grip based lasers now. My mom actually had me put one on her 92F :lol:
     
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    He's free :noplease:
    Is it wrong to be hopeful that there's vigilantes waiting for him?
     
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    No because the system is broken. They know they are above the law...because we as a country continually allow it. It's honestly sickening at this point.
     
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    Out on bail, while awaiting trial? Or were charges dropped?

    If the former that's normal and a routine part of the criminal justice process, and he's entitled to every right afforded anyone else accused of a crime up until he's actually tried and found innocent or guilty. If the latter, well... From afar it seems hard to believe he's innocent but I don't know the full story.
     
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    On bail.

    For me, the biggest shock of all of this is the astounding lack of facts released.
     

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