No, I'm trying to make the point that there *could be* a problem, because in the end the community has this extremely skewed gender ratio. So it already has the outcome you would expect IF there is a problem. So when trying to think of why this outcome exists, it is worth considering if a particularly high concentration of dark-age men making decisions and behaving in ways that would be unacceptable if we were all trying to make this a cohabitable workspace. It is funny that I have to qualify this statement so much, that the purpose of this thread is to be exploratory. Your example is like, "Global warming doesn't exist...Alaska, Sweden, Antarctica, Quebec -- see, all of these places are actually quite cold in winter. What's the deal?" and my example is like, "It's really fucking hot in here -- is this normal? Are we to blame for this?" "Feeling left out? Well, shut up and get over it, 'cause Orianthi exists." Funny you should even mention Sarah Longfield, because I remember some threads on this very forum ) where she was the main topic, and it were a bunch of guys in there saying she's only famous because she's a girl. And this is on SSO, which is presumably more progressive than TGP and enough to look like an LGBT parade in comparison to rig-talk, where you can hear the n-word in a discussion about troubleshooting your preamp tubes.