NGD: Get out of mah swamp

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  1. KnightBrolaire

    KnightBrolaire baritone zone

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    I finally got my headless Goliath from Ormsby. I ordered it back in June 2016 so that's basically 2 years I waited for a production guitar :lol:
    Specs:
    28.2" - 25.5" Multiscale
    Bridge:custom made by Hipshot Products USA
    Pickups: Nunchucker A8 Humbucker/De La Creme A2 in the neck.
    500k pots for volume, a 3 way toggle, and 500k push/pull tone pot for coil splitting. Bone nut.
    BODY: Swamp Ash with Flame Maple veneer top,
    chambered for tone and weight reduction
    NECK: Laminated Rock Maple, bolt on
    NECK SHAPE: 20.3 @ 1st - 22 @ 17th D shape
    FRETBOARD: Maple
    FRETWIRE: Jumbo Stainless Steel
    INLAY: Black dots and Ormsby logo
    SIDE DOTS: Black ring Luminlay

    The good:

    +Pickups are really good. I really like the bridge pickup a lot.They have excellent clarity and have excellent split sounds.I won't get too much into the sound since I've got a video showing that.
    +quite lightweight (the guitar only weighs 5.7 lbs)
    +the tuners are very smooth and easy to turn, they're a bit better than the standard hipshot headless bridges
    +the fan is surprisingly comfortable and not nearly as extreme as I expected given the specs
    +veneer has great figuring
    +the burst is really well done
    + the finish work is overall really good, with no visible defects in the clear coat.
    + the input jack placement is great for keeping it out of the way when playing
    + fretwork is well done and passed the finger exfoliation test. No sharp fret ends or buzzing/dead frets.
    +The neck is kind of a wide D shape, but I find it quite comfortable.
    +gig bag is soft and comfy, protects the guitar well considering that's all that was in the box as far as cushioning during shipping.
    The bad/the ugly
    -the swamp ash body has some unsightly knots that all concentrate around the horns
    -the body looks like it's made of at least 3-4 pieces of ash
    -The inlays look a bit rough if you look super closely
    -Not as comfortable as my other headless guitars due to the rear cutout of the guitar digging into my leg instead of cradling it like the strandberg/vader.
    -upper fret access isn't that great. The lower cutaway is a bit too close to the fretboard for my giant hands to maneuver in there well. It's very cramped for me but it's probably fine for people with smaller hands.

    Comparing the Goliath to my other headless (Vaders and boden):

    smoothest tuners= goliath>vader>>boden.
    outcome : goliath wins.
    The vader and goliath both have nice comfy D shaped necks, my old bodens had the endurneck while my current boden has the IPNP neck (which is also super comfy but quite a bit thicker). I hate the endurneck and find it clunky/uncomfortable
    outcome: vader/goliath/IPNP>>>>endurneck
    best upper fret access/neck joint: vader>>strandberg>goliath
    outcome: vader wins due to neckthru design and unfettered upper fret access for my big hands
    the goliath has the longest low end scale length followed by the boden and then the vader
    outcome: goliath wins
    the most comfortable fan= vader, goliath, boden are all pretty comfy.
    outcome: 3 way tie
    the vader has the comfiest forearm contour followed by the goliath and then the boden.
    vader is still the comfiest for me.
    outcome: vader wins
    best stock pickups=goliath>vader>boden (I had the old 808x and x-bar loaded models)
    outcome: goliath wins
    overall fit/finish= vader, goliath, boden (excluding my refinished one)
    outcome: vader wins

    Conclusion
    : The goliath more than holds up against my higher specced headless guitars and is a really nice guitar for the money. Unlike strandberg, ormsby's guys actually setup and do final qc on the production guitars, which really bumps them up quality wise over the 2 OS8s I owned.
    Inside pics:
    [​IMG]20180514_201419 by al b, on Flickr
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  2. KnightBrolaire

    KnightBrolaire baritone zone

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    Hollowway Extended Ranger

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    Cool comparison you did with the strandy and Vader. I have one of each of those as well, and I’ve been wondering how the Goliath would match up. I probably won’t get one, as I’m not a huge fan of the body shape and finish options (I want one of the sparkle white hype 7s with the red pups and Floyd when they come out). But great review!
     
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  4. M3CHK1LLA

    M3CHK1LLA angel sword guardian

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    congrats...nice looking axe.

    why did it take so long to get?
     
  5. Vyn

    Vyn Not a Sparkly Vampire Contributor

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    HNGD! That's probably my favourite Goliath finish of the lot!
     
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    lewis SS.org Regular

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    jeez.
    Best looking Ormbsy Ive seen.
    Stunning.

    Also, no surprise about the tuning perfection of the Hipshot bridge. Mine is equally as smooth.
    They really are brilliant.
    If only they were allowed to sell multiscale versions to the public.
    Their deal with Kiesel stops that annoyingly.
     
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    Anquished hhnice!

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    Looks awesome man, congrats!

    I tried a 6 string version a while back and couldn't get on with how wide the fan was. Shame because everything else about it was pretty sweet.
     
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    A-Branger SS.org Regular

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    noooice congrats bro!
     
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    JSanta SS.org Regular

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    Dare I say that the woobie is the best part of the pictures?

    Awesome looking guitar though, I really like the color and specs.
     
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  10. KnightBrolaire

    KnightBrolaire baritone zone

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    Cites delayed everything by a significant amount plus they spent a lot of time getting WMI/Hipshot to build everything exactly the way perry wanted it. Normally the runs take like a year.
     
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    KnightBrolaire baritone zone

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    here's a quick run through of how the pickups sound through my rig.
    I'll have a more thorough video up later tonight.
     
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    GenghisCoyne im here to party

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    its cool that you bought a guitar custom built to fit you playing on your bed within arms reach of your amp.
     
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    FitRocker33 My tone is tighter than my hamstrings

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    :nutkick:
     
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  14. KnightBrolaire

    KnightBrolaire baritone zone

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    :jeff:
    Woobies are the best.
     
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    LordIronSpatula Indeed.

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    Congrats man! The ash actually looks great to me. Sure, I'd prefer a 2 piece body as well but the wood itself doesn't look bad at all IMO.
     
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    KnightBrolaire baritone zone

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    yeah it's not a huge deal minus the collection of knots on the inner part of the lower horn. They bother me a little bit, but then I go back to playing the guitar instead of staring at it :lol:
     
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    stinkoman SS.org Regular

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    HNG. Looks awesome! Would you mind answering a couple questions for me, because I am actually split between the 3 guitars you own as my next purchase.

    Between the 3 which would you say has the narrowest/tighest string spacing? That is actually a huge plus for me. And between the vader and the Ormsby you mention similar neck shapes,but the Ormsby being wider, which would you say has the thinner neck? I initially wanted a Strandberg for years, but I already play a classical style so I don't think the endurneck would benefit me much, and a new Goliath is about $500 cheaper than a new Strandberg, or can have a Vader made to my specs and still be cheaper seems like a better investment.
     
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  18. KnightBrolaire

    KnightBrolaire baritone zone

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    thanks
    They all have relatively similar string spacing, though the vader/goliath are a tad bit closer together than the strandberg. The goliath has the thinnest neck of the three. It's less of a standard D shape like the vader and a bit more like an RG8 neck, where it's a flatter D shape. Both are very fast necks imo.
    For the price point you can't really go wrong with a goliath or a relatively simple vader (in terms of specs).
    It's all a matter of preference. I like most aspects of the goliath other than the cramped upper fret access and the rear cutaway digging into my leg (which is never an issue with my vader or bodens).
     
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    Smoked Porter SS.org Regular

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    AWWW LOOK AT THAT KITTY
     
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    KnightBrolaire baritone zone

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    I made more thorough videos showcasing some of the tones I can get from this guitar/pickups.
    cleans and high gain vid:

    high gain/boosted vid:
     

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