Most ergonomic bolt-on heel joint/contour

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  1. MaxOfMetal

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    I know! I literally couldn’t find a picture of it.
     
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    Yeah, I checked their website, FB and tried to just do some Google-fu: nothing. Not even a side shot.
     
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    I've been trying too. Imposible to find a single pic of the back of the guitar... Well, I guess I'm not going to spend 5K on that guitar if I can't see the back... LOL
     
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    My guess is a very compact step-down carbon fibre neck that extends under the neck pickup.
     
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    So that weapon brand is definitely related, just not exactly sure how far. One of the Liutus endorsees runs the www.weaponguitars.com it seems.
     
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    Even then they don't really show it. :lol:
     
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    On a tangent with the Weapon but there is a neck joint shot. I think it lines up with the last fret, so ergonomic? Its not filling the palm but its not fattening up under the frets either.
    No joke, they've managed to elude the 2018 internet.
     
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    I’m baffled. How the f- are they attaching that neck?
     
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    Not sure, set-thru style with that blocky tenon?
     
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    Indeed
     
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    I love hi-tech things, I love guitars, I love carbon fibre... I love that Weapon guitar.
     
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    Exactly, Yamaha introduced the « total access neck joint » on their early 90s japanese models. You have literally no heel pocket in your hand so bending the upper fret on my 912j model feels like bending any other high fret.
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    The top 5 frets still have obstruction behind them.

    There's an assumption being made often with designs that when you play the highest notes: Your hand is in the conventional orientation and you are fretting the note with your little finger or the one next to it, such that your thumb is at least 2 inches away from the fretting finger, such that 2 inches of obstruction on the back of the neck is considered acceptable.

    This is an understandable compromise mainstream guitars make based on conventional technique. But it's quite possible you will have your thumb directly behind the fretting finger, and/or have your hand in an unusual orientation to play a difficult chord (of course the mainstream assumption is that all that players do high up is 'widdly-widdly-wee-wee-wee' stereotyped guitar solos).

    I asked Liutus guitars for more photos and details, we'll see.
     
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    If you look at the front of a Pacifica and then the back with this joint, it might traverse two frets, maybe 3. On my 612 i can play to the last fret on the bottom string with my index or pinky without an issue. If i compare it to any of my Ibanez's, the Ibby's lose hard on fret access. They're not even in the same league.
     
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    My definition of obstruction is anything other than neck at it's thinnest. Looking at that construction photo it's roughly 3 for the highest string and 5 for the lowest.

    Looking at Weapon Guitars FB page, these metal frame guitars have a metal tab that extends from the frame inside the carbon neck:

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