Learning Pentatonic Order - New to Playing

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  1. The Real Vanilla Ice

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    Ugh - feels like a dumb question - sorry.

    Currently I'm taking the time to learn the Pentatonic Shapes.

    I've started with A minor as that's what everyone on the internet told me to do.

    I'm practicing this by looping an appropriate progression (ex. Am, G, F, C) and moving all over the fret board or playing with jam tracks.

    Onto the dumbness: After I feel I have the A minor shape(s) (pentatonically at least) under my fingers, what is the next logical Pentatonic Shape I should move to?

    I understand A minor is relative to C Major and those are the shapes. But, is there a particular order to "learn" these in? Or is it more an understanding or where the root notes are?

    (is pentatonically a word?)

    Thanks everyone.
     
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    That whacky internet is full of information - please disregard thread.
    Or don't. I'm not going to tell you how to live.
     
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    So, first. The common, western american Pentatonics are basically the western major scale but with two notes omitted. There are seven "modes" of the major scale and within these modes, fit different pentatonic shapes. There are basically five Pentatonic boxes. All you need to do is learn the 5 boxes and where they fit in their respective "modes" of the major scale. Pentatonic shape one fits in the mixolydian scale, pentatonic box 2 fits in the good ol' natural minor scale, box 3 fits in major or Ionian, box 4 fits into Dorian, and box 5 fits into lydian before returning back to box 1 in Mixolydian an octave higher.
     
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    In relation to the link I sent, Box 1 fits into Minor, Box 2 fits into Major, Box 3 fits into Dorian, Box 4 fits into Phrygian, and Box 5 fits into Mixolydian.
     
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    Just learn them in order, how they fit into each other up and down the neck. Pick a key to learn them in and once you have gotten them down, practice using the boxes up and down the neck in different keys! Have fun!
     
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    prlgmnr ...that kind of idea

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    Just take it on a tour round the circle of fifths.
     
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    wow! thank you for taking the time and energy to point me in the correct direction. I sincerely appreciate it!
     
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    Yep. People think “learning all the scales” means actually memorizing them as separate things. That works if you’re 10 years old with all the time in the world. But the exact same thing can be accomplished by learning the “patterns” and learning where each root note falls in each.

    This of course changes as you work on harmonic minor, minor 2nd, etc etc but it’s just a different set of patterns and for “metal” purposes most players only learn the ones they’ll use the most.

    That’s my “Lazy $0.02”.
     
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    You're most welcome! Just remember to have fun with it

     
  11. The Real Vanilla Ice

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    this sums up 6 months of trying to get this figured out
     
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    the website linked mentions the fact that a scale doesn't always begin and end on the root.

    why/how?
     
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    This is because these scales are in relation to eachother in any given key. So if we are in the key of G minor, using the first pentatonic box or "scale", It would indeed start on the root note of G on the 3rd fret. Now, if we are still in the same key but we want to play box 2, we would start on the 6th fret like in the diagrams. We are now "starting" this scale on a Bb, but the root note (determined by the key/chords) is still G which we will find as the 5th note of box 2. The website made the root notes white dots whereas the rest of the notes are black. The website is assuming you are in the key of G minor as it started box 1 on G.

     
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    pentatonic a minor.PNG

    A Minor
    I used Microsoft paint to create a version of this my brain found pleasing. is this correct?
    i added the pentatonic shape color(s) - like that I saw in a image search for the same.
     
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    starting with the middle finger, correct?

    head sometimes wants to explode figuring out which finger "starts" the scale, as well.
     
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    Good diagram! Yeah that correct from the looks of it. You can start on whichever finger you like. For the sake of learning these scales, I would always slide my up the neck to start each scale on the index finger. But if youre using these scales in the context of a live performance, all bets are off. You can use whichever finger is clever and chose to slide into each box starting on whatever string at whatever time suits the song.

     
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    will_shred Wannabe audio engineer

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    The minor pentatonic formula is

    1, 3, 4, 5, 7, 1. Each number representing a note from the minor scale.

    A minor=ABCDEFG=1234567

    A minor Pentatonic= ACDEG

    E minor= EF#GABCDE

    E minor Pentatonic= EGABDE
     
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    it. finally. makes. sense.
     
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    this made me sigh (relief) out loud.
     
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    my brain likes this too - I see how the shape of it fits off the root - thank you so much
     
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