I think I want an engl?

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  1. DiezelMonster

    DiezelMonster Complainasaurus Rex

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    Funny thing, I've been thinking about an ENGL again and really thinking about the Steve Morse model.

    I played one a while ago and liked it quite a bit! I also really liked the Savage special edition.

    I may get either one of those.
     
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    I had an Engl Invader 100. Really fun to play by yourself. Crap in any kind of mix situation.. recorded, live, jamming, doesn't matter.

    It did bedroom volume just fine, the volume knob works great. If I were to get another Engl (and I do want one) it'd be something based on the Savage. Powerball, Fireball, Ironball, Invader, SE are all hard nos, especially for the price tags they go for.
     
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    lurè Thy Art Is Mambo

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    As a Powerball 2 user, I agree with everything stated before.
    Engl are generally compressed and very tight but it's not a bad thing considering the kind of sound you're looking for.

    At low volume they sound even more compressed (at least the PB), so I would stay away from them if you're looking for a bedroom amp.

    Live they easily get buried in the mix against 5150s or Mesa Mark amps.
     
  4. HeHasTheJazzHands

    HeHasTheJazzHands greg rulz ok

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    I noticed people said the same thing with the Savage, too. Someone used a Recto forever and got a savage that he said KILLED in a recording environment. But the second he used it live, it didn't cut through the mix like his recto.
     
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    KnightBrolaire despair ahead

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    Yeah... no. The savage definitely cuts through live from what I've heard. Muhammad from necrophagist used one when I saw them live years ago and his sound was ridiculously cutting (he had 2 4x12s though). I've heard good things about the ENGL SE as well.
     
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    This is the same for me with VHT. When I get them I love them, and think why d I have any other amps, these are amazing. But after awhile that immediate response just wears on me and I feel like I can only play certain styles. I have a similar feeling about Rectos, not the tightness but the "I only play X when I play this amp." I've gotten to the point where I realize I want an amp that's tight enough to not require a boost at all times but that isn't so immediate to where it limits what I feel like I can play. And I can always add a boost if I think I need it tighter. For me it's KSR and Mesa Marks.
     
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    Flappydoodle SS.org Regular

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    I don't get that at all. If you turn up the treble and presence on a PBII it makes your ears bleed.
     
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    budda Guiterrorizer Contributor

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    That's uh... most amps.
     
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    budda Guiterrorizer Contributor

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    Double
     
  10. Flappydoodle

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    Sure. But I find the PBII to be really bright and cutting (through V30s anyway). The Savage too is super, super bright. Can't see it really struggling to be heard next to a recto. That's my point.
     
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    budda Guiterrorizer Contributor

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    All you need to swallow a bright amp is a full sounding one.
     
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    wakjob SS.org Regular

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    Had the Blackmore and e530 at the same time.

    Yes on all points above, and I'll add that I hope they've upped their game in the build quality department, b/c my Blackmore had the circuitboard of a cheap stompbox, wimpy Alps pots that broke easily, and flimsy tube sockets.

    I think I dated mine to '98, so....

    Definitely NOT worth what they cost new in the U.S.
    The term "European Peavey" is almost insulting to Peavey.
     
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    never heard that one, european mesa would be more accurate at least price wise
     
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    Then the guitarists are dialling in their live tones wrong. That's not the amp's fault :shrug:

    Of course that totally depends where you live. UK prices:
    Engl PBII £1,520
    Dual recto £2,539
    Triple recto £2,950

    Most expensive Engl is the Invader at £1900. Most expensive Mesa is Road King at £3800. Even some of the combo amps are more than £3500.

    As for Peavey, a 6505 120W is £780, lol

    I imagine the situation is opposite in the US.
     
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    KnightBrolaire despair ahead

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    yeah in the US you can find used 6505s for under 500 usd no prob, dual rectos for under 1k all day, triples as well. most engls are well over 2k used last i checked.
     
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    Are they though?

    Nothing is the amp's fault except failure to function properly. Now we're getting into buying the right amp for the application.

    OP needs to decide what amp suits his voicing needs the best.
     
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    Wow. Crazy differences. And the import/sales taxes don't come anywhere close to making up those differences. It must simply be marketing and distribution differences.

    That's a fair point, and I agree with that.
     
  18. Wizard of Ozz

    Wizard of Ozz Arch-Mage of Metal

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    :lol::rofl:
    LOL... I have to take credit for the "Peavey of Europe" comment from many years ago.

    They are still built the same. Not well built by any stretch. I think many here in the USA automatically assume "because they are made in Germany"... they have to be made well. Not so much the case here. I've owned a bunch: Savage 120, PB1, PB2, FB2, SE EL34, AE. They all use the same lower quality components, and many models still use smaller than normal unsized, unpowered transformers. The pcbs are mounted upside down and the pots as you mentioned are not mil spec PEC for example.

    They do sound good and work great for most modern metal and or down-tunend stuff though... which is why they continue to be popular. I like the SE and Savage 120 the best.
     
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    Wizard of Ozz Arch-Mage of Metal

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    Nope... Mesa amps are built like a Rolls Royce compared to an Engl.
     
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    maybe, but i was only refering to the price : mesas in europe are in the same price range (or even more) as an engl in the us
     

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