How are the reborn rectos at bedroom volumes?

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  1. sevenfoxes

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    I've owned rectos in the past, including the single, but they all sounded too fizzy at lower volumes. Are the reborn rectos any better?
     
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    Yes. But you need to use some pretty extreme settings... presence almost all the way up 3-4:00pm... treble up around the same... and bass down around 9:00am... depending on your bedroom volume limits. Mids somewhere between 9:00-12:00 depending on taste. Really all around the best sounding Rectifier Mesa has made.
     
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    Google hasn't explained it to me. What is a reborn recto? Latest version?
     
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    They are the multi-watt Dual & Triple Rectifiers released sometime in 2010. They have a small 100-50W or 150-50W switch respectively on the front panel near each channel's treble knobs.

    They are also voiced differently from all the previous versions: brighter, tighter, and more present sounding. They cut better in a mix too. I still like to boost them with an od pedal though.
     
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    Doesn't turning the presence and treble up bring about the hiss though?
     
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    Yes... but it's volume dependent (less presence the more volume added) and also depends on the treble setting too. You're going to need some extra presence to get any sort of focus or note articulation at low volumes. It's all about balance here. Also cheap, low quality preamp tubes will add to this too.
     
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    Thanks for that explaination! Do you have any tube recommendations?
     
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    Ruby 12AX7C5HG and/or Tung-Sol 12AX7s. JJs will only make it harder, if not impossible to get a decent sound at low volumes.
     
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    I've got a dual. Always on full power cos it just sounds fuller and i have the bass almost off as it's got no shortage. It is very loud but manageable for just mucking around my house. I just be mindful of the neighbours ie not too late etc and everyone lives
     
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    I run similar settings on my rev. G when playing at lower volumes, I think it sounds really good!
     
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    What can you recommend for the power tubes? I guess the preamp tubes would make more of a difference though?
     
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    Lower power preamp tubes provide better saturation at lower volume, especially on the input stage.
     
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    Ruby, Tung-Sol, and TAD. The thing is you want to make sure the tubes don't draw too much current. The stock Mesa Sovtek 6L6GCs are okay. But for low volumes, the preamp will make a bigger difference.
     
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    Should i replace every preamp tube with a Ruby (or Tung-Sol), or just V1? Also, does it help it put a lower gain preamp tube in V1?
     
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    Yes. I'd replace all of them. Or at the very least V1 & V3 if on a budget. Keep the originals for back ups. V5 the phase inverter, closest to the power tubes you can experiment with a long plate tube like a Sovtek LPS or NOS Telefunken if you want to go all out.
     
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    Right on! I was thinking about doing this "Metal" kit and the Ruby el34's. What do you think?

    http://www.dougstubes.com/mesa-boogie-dual-rectifier-roadster-tube-kit.html
     
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    Yep. That should do the trick. Just make sure you dig EL34 power tubes in the Recto. I like them for a different sound, but generally prefer 6L6GCs. The EL34s add more power color/distortion to the sound.
     
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    Awesome! Thanks for all your help man!

    Could you describe the tonal differences that the 6l6 and el34 tubes have in a recto?
     
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    The EL34s are going to have more crunchy aggressive mids, and more mid focus overall. A dirtier sound. They might not be the best for lower volumes. They have a different more distorted, asymmetrical feel to them. The 6L6GCs give you a clean more linear power section, a more mid-scooped sound, more highs/lows, allowing for max preamp distortion which will give you a tighter sound, tighter/more focused/more articulate bass... which with a Recto is a good thing. If you were going to mainly use the Vintage 2nd Orange channel most of the time and going for a Marshall crunch sound... EL34s would be a good move. For high gain, with lots of preamp distortion hitting them... in a bass heavy amp like the Recto, maybe not so much.
     
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    Awesome! I think I actually will stick to the 6l6's then. Again, thank you!
     

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