Help me choose between: ENGL, EVH, Bogner!

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  1. oceanrose

    oceanrose Pete

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    So i have sold off my Marshall JVM410 head that i normally use with my Gibson Les Paul and have been in the market for a new head to replace it. For this purpose, i am looking for a versatile head that will go from opeth jazzy clean to a saturated chunky rhythm and sweet lead tone. and could really use your insight in helping me decide for those who have had experiences with the amps that i am considering and about to mention.

    But first, what i disliked about the JVM are as follows.

    -Too trebly and hi-mid focused for my taste, you know that "ssshh" Marshall characteristic.
    -Problems with quality, i had to take it to the tech several times due to loose tubes sockets, and power shortages, and volume drops.
    -Playing lead on this amp sounds rather shrill instead of warm, and is very uninspiring to play.

    Generally, this amp did pretty well for classic rock and old school metal which i often play with this rig, but now i am looking for a new sound that i keep hearing in my head.

    At the current stage, here are the contenders that i am looking at.

    1. ENGL Savage 120: Second hand and looks to be in good quality at $2000, however i have seen in one of their namm show videos with the staff saying that they are discontinuing this model due to complications in finding components and may be issuing a Savage II, albeit it is unknown when.

    2. ENGL Marty Friedman Inferno: Quite interested in this one but have had rarely seen any reviews and video demos so i am quite unsure what to expect but the description does intrigue me and it is in my price range and around the same price as the Savage.

    3. EVH 5150III Stealth: Another one that i am interested and would like to try out. One of the local dealer has one in stock (the EL34) version, but as i went to the store today i was unable to try it as they were shooting a live video for some music school.

    4. Bogner Uberschall: Last but not least, i have really liked what i have read and seen in videos for this amp so far but have never tried it myself and none carry em stock over where i live, and this will be the only one that i will not be able to try.

    With this being said, the high gain channel is my priority, and although i know all these amps can deliver in this regards, i am also looking to use this head to play in standard tuning and with softer styles of music as well, ranging from Beatles clean to Gary Moore, Opeth, classic NWOBHM. and perhaps with my 7 string guitars covering modern artists like Sylosis, Belakor, Decrepit Birth.

    Again, i would love your insight in regards to past experience with these amps i mentioned so i have a better idea of what i can expect as i hope this purchase will last me a long time.
     
  2. oceanrose

    oceanrose Pete

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    Shoot sorry! I posted on the wrong page! Please delete this MODs!
     
  3. technomancer

    technomancer Gearus Pimptasticus Super Moderator

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    No, this is where "tell me what to buy" threads belong
     
  4. Strobe

    Strobe SS.org Regular

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    The Uberschall is my personal favorite metal amp of all time. The gain on it is perfect. It's clear, it's thick, it feels like it has a lot of low end without getting muddy. Go for that.

    All are great options. My bandmate has the stealth. It's a wonderful amp, but the Uberschall is the holy grail for my tastes. If the Marshall was close but not quite to your tastes, try the Uberschall. It's closer in feel than the 5150. The clean on it is perhaps a bit sterile, but it takes pedals well. As for the ENGL's, only played the Savage. I liked it, I didn't love it. It was very tight, but not as thick as I like (hard to describe this stuff).
     
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    I’m gonna highly recommend (seeing as how it seems you’re looking at amps just shy of 2k) either an axe fx ii or a kemper seeing as how these modelers are good at modeling all of the amps listed AND give you access to so much more. You get to have your cake and eat it too AND on top of that there’s no buyers remorse as the price used if you want to sell it is super close to new prices. An example is Jeff Loomis from Arch Enemy used to use all sorts of high gain amps but he switched to a Kemper and a Seymour Duncan poweramp.
     
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    AkiraSpectrum SS.org Regular

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    And he recently switched to a Line 6 Helix. [sorry just had to add it]
     
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    DeathChord FTW

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    All great choices, personally I'm a huge fan of the Uberschall Twin Jet but thats just my 2 cents.
     
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    No you’re totally right! However if he learned this from jamming with Fluff recently, he’s probably using the Helix for FX like he does.
     
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    AkiraSpectrum SS.org Regular

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    Last interview with Jeff I read (a few weeks ago?) said he is using Helix exclusively and not just for FX, which is really cool.
     
  10. ZombieLloyd

    ZombieLloyd Not one 7 string

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    That makes it worse that I couldn't be completely happy with how the software sounded. It always had that digital fuzz sound underneath all the tones for me. And that's for a £400ish software, I wonder if it's the same on the £1,000 floor board/rack models.
     
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    AkiraSpectrum SS.org Regular

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    When I first tried Helix Native I had the same issue, I really did not like the software at all, it just sounded 'off' to me. Then I recently gave it another try and realized that my input was too high and clipping the signal. I then adjusted the input slider so that I was not at any point exceeding -12db (says this in the manual) and now everything is fantastic! I now can't go back to what I was using (Bias FX) because the Helix sounds so much more genuine/authentic/realistic.

    In addition, I determined that 'ch. volume' and 'master' (on amps) are very finicky and you need to find the right balance between the two for a lot of the high gain amps; the best place to start in my opinion, is just to use the same values that automatically load when you select the amp (for ch. volume and master that is), then change everything else to your taste. Good cab IR's are also helpful.
     
  12. ZombieLloyd

    ZombieLloyd Not one 7 string

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    Oh, so it's my Black Winter pickup's fault? No matter how I lowered the input it would always be in the red zone a little bit. I've got that Washburn Solar with a much lower output so would it be worth using a different email address and trying it out again?
     
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    LiveOVErdrive SS.org Regular

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    I hate to be the guy to go off menu, but my first thought reading this description is "Mesa Mark V."

    You can get each of those three things in each of the three channels.
     
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  14. AkiraSpectrum

    AkiraSpectrum SS.org Regular

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    I say its worth the try! I don't have any super high output pickups (only medium, medium high, and high) so I can't speak from personal experience here, but I'm sure that you could reduce the input quite substantially so that you don't peak above -12db. Perhaps, depending on your interface, you could also adjust the input so that its not hitting the VST (Helix Native) as hard to begin with? I'm using a relatively old/cheap interface (Line 6 POD Studio GX) which doesn't seem to have input gain or a pad input but a lot of newer interfaces have level adjustments.

    Be sure to message me if you end up giving it another try, I'm interested to see how it turns out. Definitely try your lower output pickups if you can't seem to tame the output of the BW's, just to see if that is the issue. If so, I'm sure there are ways to remedy the issue (new interface with pad input maybe?).
     
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    ZombieLloyd Not one 7 string

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    I've tried it, I'm still getting the digital, fuzzy undertone no matter what I do. I tried -12db and then -24db, no matter what there's just something with the gain that goes fuzzy when I sustain a note. Lowering the gain, raising the mids helps a little, only a little. It's a shame really, I do really want to like the software and aside from that fuzzy undertone it sounds killer. I've got a project I need to record my guitar part for where I need to record the DI track so I'll try working with it some more. As for an interface, I'm not really using one. I'm using my Rocksmith cable that I've been using to record my music for years. I did have a Focusrite Scarlett Solo a couple of years ago, but the block in the USB port disappeared so it doesn't work.
     
  16. AkiraSpectrum

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    I have no experience with the rocksmith cable, but I wonder if this may be leading to the issue, (perhaps its generating too much noise without acting sufficiently as a proper preamp)? I'm not sure.

    Again, this sounds exactly like the issue I had when I first tried it but the input slider completely fixed it for me. Sorry that it doesn't seem to be working for you.
     
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    teqnick WiggerSlammer, Chug King

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    Having owned an Uberschall, various ENGL's, and spending good time with a 5153, I can vouch for the Uber.

    The twin jet doesnt necessarily have a sparkly "clean" channel, hence the name; so i'd look into a rev blue. Very smooth and full gain channel, with the ability to get nice and tight with a boost in front. The sweep is very wide on there, so it takes patience and minor adjustments to dial in particular tones, but when you nail it , it's glorious. The clean channel wasn't shabby either.

    Now the 5153, definitely a contender at a great price point, especially if you can grab a used one. The clean channel is awesome, and can push crunch tones based on other factors. The 2nd channel (blue?) has a nice mid gain structure that can get any tone if pushed. The chief complaint, is that the gain channels can get a little fizzy and oversaturated. The third channel (red?) has more gain on tap than you'd ever need for modern metal, and has an upper-mid focus that may or may not be to your liking. Tons of clarity, but channels 2 and 3 don't bring anything super unique to the table IMO. At the price points i've been seeing these go for, it's a great value for a couple sounds.

    ENGL savage is one I haven't played, but have heard nothing but great things about. I've owned the Invader, Fireball 100, and Powerball; and recently spent time with a Powerball 2. They're some of my favorite amps hands down. Cleans are voiced to my liking, dark and compressed ( minus the Invader). The gain channels on ENGLs have a very distinct snarl that only comes from an ENGL. They handle low tunings extremely well, have tons of clarity, and play all modern metal styles extremely well. If you listen to Soilwork's last few albums, I believe one of the more recent ones was recorded with a 5153 and Savage.



    Hopefully I've provided some insight. Those are all awesome amps
     
  18. Wizard of Ozz

    Wizard of Ozz Arch-Mage of Metal

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    Of those listed... I'd pick the Savage 120. But I've not tried the new Friedman Sig. Owned/played all the others a bunch though.
     

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