Fanned 40"-37" Kalium Guitar Works Quake. Production run of 5 Quakes

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    @eggy in a bready is it possible to record a view bass lines with the F and the B (include open strings) to hraer that bass?but not with miced cab and the less procesing possible?
    And please,give us a foto of the headstock from the side
     
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    @eggy in a bready is it possible to record a view bass lines with the F and the B (include open strings) to hear that bass?but not with miced cab and the less procesing possible?
    And please,give us a foto of the headstock from the side
     
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    eggy in a bready good to see you have one of these.

    I feel like investigating the advantage of the scale (using the Kalium tension calculator).

    For a tight 39 lbs tension B on a 34" scale you would need a .136.
    For the same tension on 40" you only need a .114.
    You gain flexibility from a smaller gauge, however the extra length helps too.
    I will consider string flexibility to be roughly determined by the ratio of length to gauge.
    For a .114 on a 40" scale it is 40 / .114 = 351.
    This is equivalent flexibility to, on a 34" scale, 34 / 351 = .097 gauge, a light E string.
    A 40" scale gives you a tight B with the flexibility, and therefore clarity, harmonicity and tone quality, of a standard length light E.

    This is surprisingly effective, i had not expected such a good result.
     
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    .. and the email address to contact is CustomerSupport@KaliumLLC
     
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    For some strange reason I'm tempted by this offer. It's radically different to what I've played before, or play now but....
     
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    Apparently 4 of the 10 have sold, 2 weeks left for the price offer.
     
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    Ola Englund's VLOG in the Meshuggah studio:
    3:00: Kalium Quake 5 string with no strings. Actually it's an older Quake from Knuckle Guitar Works days.
    7:34: Kalium Strings 5 string set 40" scale, from a low A00 14Hz, gauge .266. "Strings for Dick's new bass".
     
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    Where do you have that A00 14Hz thing from? Does he say this in the video?
    If that's correct, I really wonder why he chose that tuning, for me it would make the most sense to just tune it to F, one octave below the gutars :scratch:
     
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    Agreed, I'm surprised he'd be tuning that low if experimenting with this for Meshuggah. But I suppose it could be an entirely personal thing. With a .266 it's quite certain he IS going that low though!
     
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    Ah, yeah just noticed it says "A tuning" on the package.
     
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    If used for Meshuggah i expect it would be for recording the more experimental bass lines, he probably prefers a normal bass scale for the usual riffing. On the last album sometimes i seem to hear some very low bass frequencies, not sure. They do experiment and detune their guitars sometimes.
    Skip, the guy behind Kalium strings and basses is a huge Meshuggah fan and has been in contact with Dick for a long time.
     
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    For those not on FB, the story is:
    "Long-is story; Dick owns Quake 2 - I originally lent it to an artist I knew wouldn't take care of it to see how sturdy my builds are. After owning it (and abusing it) for 3 years it was returned to me, and I took it to a Meshuggah show tuned an octave down on the chance I could connect with Dick. Post-show, a security guy passed a message to the band about the bass and he said the band wanted to see it. As beat as it was, Dick offered me cash for it. That's 15+ years ago."
     
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    As someone who's done a lot of bass and guitar gigs, I will emphatically say that you don't have to tune the bass in any specific way, relative to guitars, and, in fact, tuning the two instruments independently helps innovation. I think the reason most people think that the bass has to be either the same tuning or one octave down from the guitar is that we are a board mostly composed of people who do home recording on guitar, then add a layer of overdubbed bass, so it's easier to switch back and forth if the tunings are parallel to one another.
     
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    I get your point and for some kinds of music I definitely agreee, but... playing Meshuggah songs without an F string seems really like over-complicating things to me.
     
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    But how complicated you or I think it is has no bearing on what the actual bass player does. If he likes the tuning, I'm just trying to explain a possible reason why. If he thought that the tuning made things unnecessarily complicated, then I don't think he'd be using it.

    I think to address your point directly, I'd just say that you might like it if you tried it.
     
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    Of course he is free to do whatever he wants, but I think that tuning might rather suggest that either:
    1. Meshuggah is trying a different tuning (also on guitars)
    2. Dick has a side project where they use a different tuning (For example the guitarist who played in M.A.N (also Swedish I think) has an 11 string guitar with a low A string I think and a playing style not sooo different to Fredrik Thordendal. Far fetched, but just an idea I had)
    3. he just likes this bass to toy around unrelated to Meshuggah
    But we'll see ... except if it's 3 ;-)
     
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    I've heard about this in the past and am pretty sure it was just something personal to toy around with. Unfortunately. So I won't be getting any hopes.

    That being said, I'll get one of these basses... some day.
     
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    If it wasn't so difficult/expensive to buy the fitting strings I'd also be interested in one. Is there even any other company that sells string gauges that high?
     
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    Either Kalium themselves (who are, I suppose, the #1 supplier of ridiculously thick strings), or from Garry Goodman or another small string maker dedicated to ERB.
     

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